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Wednesday, April 30, 2014

Ukraine SITREP-update April 30, 16:12 UTC/Zulu: "US/EU Hedgehog scaring techniques"

  • China has officially strongly criticized any sanctions saying that they would be useless.
  • Another six cities of the eastern Ukraine have rebelled.
  • Dmitryi Olegovich Rogozin Russian Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Russia and Deputy Prime Minister of Russia in charge of defense industry has declared that Russia will respond to words with words and to actions with actions.  For example, he said, if the US would try to hurt the Russian aerospace industry they could fly their astronauts to the International Space Station themselves.
  • Oleg Tsarev, one of the most popular political figures from the eastern Ukraine officially quit the Presidential race explaining that it was impossible for him to participate.
  • Mikhail Dobkin, a top Party of Regions figure and close friend of the Major of Kharkov Gennadi Kermes - who has been shot and is in critical condition in an Israeli hospital declared that he is also thinking of quitting the Presidential race.
  • Russian pilots have reported that the GPS signal over Ukraine appears to have been degraded by the USA.  The USA also did that in Libya and during the 08.08.08 Ossetia.  Luckily, the Russian constellation of GLONASS satellites is at its full capacity (24) and it can easily take over.
  • US Secretary of State John Kerry:"Today Russia seeks to change the security landscape of Eastern and Central Europe, we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it.
  • In Kiev the Right Sector and the Maidanites have fought each other
    Turchinov admits that his operation has failed:"I would like to say frankly that at the moment the security structures are unable to swiftly take the situation in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions back under control. Security personnel tasked with the protection of citizens are helpless. More than that, some of these units either aid or co-operate with terrorist groups.  Our task is to stop the spread of the terrorist threat first of all in the Kharkiv and Odessa regions."
  • It has been announced by the military authorities in Russia that two newcomers will participate in the next May 9th (aka "Victory Day") parade in Moscow: a Spetsnaz unit in its new bullet-proof combat fatigues and silenced rifles and a Naval Infantry unit from the Black Sea Feet which will be flying the flag of the Russian Crimean Republic.  I can just about imagine the rage of the NATO attaches invited to watch the parade (which they always are each year).
  • The pro-US liberal activist Boris Nemtsov has committed political suicide by going on Ukie TV and comparing Putin to Stalin.  Not that he has much to lose since his "Parnas" party was firmly pegged in the single digits. 
  • Nemtsov, Khodorkovsky, Kasparov and Navalnyi and a few others are basically political corpses now
  • On the same program on Ukie TV which featured Nemtsov,  a well-know Ukrainian nationalist, Iurii Lutsenko, seriously declared that the "genetic code of the Ukrainian people give them the ability to live outside lies, whereas the genetic code of childern of Gengis Khan makes them willing to live in lies and spread the patriotic syphillis".  His comments about the genetic makeup was made particularly comical since he was sitting next to a Jew (Nemtsov), on a TV show hosted by a Jew (Savik Shuster) and that he was co-organizing the conference which invited Nemtsov to Kiev with another famous Jew (Khodorkovsky).  I wonder why these Jews who usually are hyper-sensitive to "genetic" issues all remained silent and smiling when a neo-Nazi nationalist was seriously discussing how the Asia genes of Russians made them different and less capable of opposing lies than the putative Ukrainian "race".
  • The USA and EU have adopted further symbolic sanctions on Russia which only serve one purpose: to convince the Russians that the West cannot and will not take any meaningful punitive measures against Russia.
  • Finally, the US is gleefully reporting that sanctions are hurting Russia which is now suffering from a capital outflow.  This is partially true, there are signs of capital outflow, but this is speculative capital anyway which, like in 08.08.08 is moved out by western plutocrats in response to an anti-Russian campaign and which will soon be right back.  So far, there are absolutely no signs of disinvestment for the simple reason that the Western plutocrats are not willing to suffer the consequences of such a move.
I might have mentioned his here, but there is a great Russian saying about making empty threats.  It goes like this: "to try to scare a hedgehog with a naked butt".  That is exactly what the US and EU are doing now: they are trying to scare Russia with sanctions which will hurt them infinitely more than they would hurt Russia.  Not only that, but the very notion that slapping 15 or 30 people with a 6 months travel ban into the Eurozone will break the will of a people which withstood events like the 900 days of the blockade of Leningrad by the German military (with hunger, cold and artillery and Luftwaffe bombing raids every day) is laughable.


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The good news today is the admission by Turchinov that he lost the Lugansk and Donetsk Oblast and that what he as to do now is to prevent these events from spreading to other parts of the Ukraine such as the Odessa and Kharkov  regions (see map).  My personal feeling is that Kharkov is gone too.  But Odessa might be more complicated.  The situation in Dnepropetrovsk is even more complex.

What could happen is a two-step disintegration of the Ukraine.  In the first step the Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov regions would break off and form their own independent republic.  Then a relative lull will take place between the upcoming Presidential elections (assuming they happen), the payment of pensions, the price increases and the total termination of Russian gas supplies to the Ukraine.  Then over the summer and early Fall the rest of the Ukraine will explode in social protests which will push regions such as Odessa or Zaporozhie to break off while the oligarchs and neo-Nazis battle each other for the control of Kiev.  The single most powerful factor affecting the Ukrainian disintegration process will be the economic boom in Crimea.  If last year the Ukrainians compared the economic prosperity of Russians and EU-members, this year they will compare  the economic situation in the junta controlled Ukraine (which I call "Banderastan") and Crimea.  As for the People's Republic of Donetsk, it will have to join Russia sooner or later if only for security reasons.

Then, I can only express my amused amazement at Kerry's latest expression of hot air.  What does "we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it" supposed to mean?!  Does Kerry seriously believe that anybody - nevermind the Russians - will seriously believe that Russian tanks are about to attack NATO?  This also begs the question of how exactly would NATO propose to fight Russia if the latter occupied the Baltic Statges (which Russia neither wants nor needs).


Kerry is turning into a full-time buffoon who makes Hillary look rational.

On last thing: I have heard that something close to 70% of Americans are unhappy with Obama and is his handling of the Ukrainian crisis, while Putin's popularity is pegged around 80% of support.

Looks to me like the Russian people and the American people very much have a similar point of view.  Too bad that a parasitical plutocracy of 1% has put a non-entity like Obama in power.

The Saker

190 comments:

Damian Gunjak said...

What will happen with the Baltics if Nato gets involved though? Does a skirmish in Ukraine where NATO units participate translate into open conflict with Russia in the Baltics, sounds to me like the Russian "non citizen" minority as the Baltic Europeans like to call their fellow citizens will come under considerable pressure.

Cu Chulainn said...

What I don't get with Fursev is his professed admiration for Alexandre del Valle, comrade in arms of Bat Ye'or.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what is happening in West Ukraine?

Any protest, preparation for the elections, etc.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what is happening in West Ukraine?

Old Ez said...

Saker, the sanctions seem to be clearly targeting Putin's *personal* support among the Russian commercial elite, rather than targeting impersonal economic institutions. Is the Washington regime thinking it can undercut Putin's network of personal support by these sanctions? For example, if Russia were to target someone like Soros in order to get him to stop supporting Obama? Is that what these personal sanctions are about, trying to get the Russian elite to abandon Putin? If that is the case, what chance does this tacttic have of succeeding? Zero? Slightly above zero?

Mohamed said...

Like I said earlier, that both Obama and Putin are in cohort.

As I said earlier:

1. Crimea was given to Russia on a Silver Platter.

2. The rest of Ukraine will be Federalized as per Putin's wishes.

Those who understand Middle Policy, can see go to the latest RT article and see that Putin is in the driving seat:

Putin, Bahraini crown prince discuss bilateral relations, Mideast problems
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_30/Putin-Bahraini-crown-prince-discuss-bilateral-relations-Mideast-problems-0273/


The best news in the whole century!

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Afterthought said...

The events of the last few days have been decisive for pro-Russians. But of all of the events the one most significant was the march of the far-right parties in Kiev.

Rumor had it that they were going to try something prior to the elections, perhaps on May 9th, as they feel that legitimate elections would not be good for their appearance of legitimacy, which comes from the power of the street.

The presidential election was bossed by the West to put Poroshenko in office (notice how "Klitch" dropped out like a good little boy), but the events in the East and the far right uprising will tarnish the legitimacy.

In the long run, the question will be which side is more attractive to the average person on the street? IMF backed West Ukraine, or Russia?

As Ronald Reagan once asked "Are you better off now then you were four years ago?"

In Ukraine, if anyone is asked are you better off now than you were 4 months ago, the answer would be a resounding NO!

The death watch of the Kiev putch is on.

Alex P. said...

It is apparently SITREP-update April 29, not 20th.
Thanks!

Knut said...

I believe Kerry is operating under the misapprehension that the Ukraine is a member of NATO. This was how it was supposed to turn out, and just because it isn't true now, it will be true in the future he imagines, so by backward induction it is true now. I hope we have that issue cleared up. He is selling pie in the sky. It will soon be the case that a substantial proportion of the American people possibly believe, or will shortly believe that the Ukraine is in fact a member of NATO, just like Israel.

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

@Alex: thanks I corrected the date

Rowan Berkeley said...

Nice writing, Saker. But that would be Mikhail Dobkin in bullet point 5, not Dokin, yes?

Anonymous said...

Saker said:
~~~~~~What does "we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it" supposed to mean?!~~~~~~

It serves the demonization of Russia. For example if I shout at you in public "If you beat up my children then I will call the police!" This is in itself a perfectly fine warning, nothing untrue or morally wrong about it, but its effect is that since I say such a thing to you, and in such a tone, then to the bystanders it must mean that not only are you capable of such evil deeds, but that you are also close to commiting such a crime. That's how you can demonize someone without getting into legal trouble, or being called a liar.


-123abc-

Andreas Walsh said...

'What does "we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it" supposed to mean?'
It means "the pressure to jack up arms spending to enrich our corporate sponsors never ends."

Anonymous said...

In response to the stupidity of today's NY Times op ed pieces, one reader pointed out the following statistics:

"Rachel Maddow showed a chart tonight where over 70% of the American people support the President on his decision to not send troops to Ukraine and over 60% agreed that we should not be arming the rebels, based on a recent Pew Poll.

Then, she showed today's results from the Washington Post/ABC News Poll. When those polled were asked if they approved of President Obama's policies toward Ukraine, only 34% approved. How is that possible, she wondered. They support each policy but not when lumped together. It makes no sense."

America once again loses the forrest for the trees.

Anonymous said...

Crazy Ivan says...

Two issues:

1. Kiev authorities promise night military exercises

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Wladze-Kijowa-zapowiadaja-nocne-cwiczenia-wojskowe,wid,16574546,wiadomosc.html

In Polish but use translate.google.com.

Some commenters' texts (old ones were erased as the news was updated) suggested "in order to remove Maidan". The more so the exercises are to be performed in the Kiev center.

2. "Pashynsky assures situation in Sloviansk will be localized in coming days" from

http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/pashynsky_assures_situation_in_sloviansk_will_be_localized_in_coming_days_320927

Regards

Anonymous said...

Crazy Ivan says...

Of course, all information about Kiev's night military drills should be read with a pinch of salt:

http://www.ukrinform.ua/rus/news/natsgvardiya_ne_sobiraetsya_na_ucheniya_v_kieve_1629402

Nora said...

This is quite an update, Saker. In a grim kind of way, the news looks pretty good, though it ain't over til it's over. I keep thinking of Pete Seeger and "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy", written about Vietnam but pretty descriptive of Afghanistan, Iraq and a few other mostly-forgotten wars.

But wouldn't our degrading GPS over Ukraine affect "our" side in any military action? Can we really be dumb enough to cut off our own nose to spite our face quite like that? Oh well, at least we Americans aren't alone in our xenophobic stupidity; Mr. Lutsenko would feel right at home on a number of websites, bars, and neighborhoods here. I do know a couple of Ukrainians with names thought to be Tatarian in origin though -- maybe their Uniate faith protects them from syphilis? I'm a little embarrassed to ask...

I still don't get John Kerry though; he's scared of something and I don't think it's Russia. And yes, while Obama is probably brighter than Baby Bush, he's every bit as uncaring, uncurious and unconcerned. But even if he were inclined to actually plan, evaluate options, set policies, govern, at this point could any president do more in foreign policy than simply choose between Neo-Con Option A, B or C? (The only question in domestic policy seems to be how quickly to siphon off whatever is left).

But Saker, back to my nagging fears: do you really think we won't do anything more than sanctions? You really think we're not dumb (and arrogant) enough to try anyhow?

jo6pac said...

Thanks for the update.

"Kerry is turning into a full-time buffoon who makes Hillary look rational."

That's pretty scary isn't.

Thanks for the GPS info.

http://www.n2yo.com/
1. Up in Your Sky go to What's Up, click on this
2. Then--see them on a map.
3. Click on See what's up in your sky.
4. Click on Draw obits.

This is real time so give the pages time to load and it use your IP address location with a little time you can make it work for anywhere in the world

bluelight said...

Saker, what are the logistics when Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov regions become independent. Are they self-sustainable that they have an adequate revenue base? How about the oil/gas/water supplies - do they have to still relay on Kiev or have it shipped from Russia? Also, what happens to the existing debts of Ukraine. If one by one, regions declare independence, the Western Ukraine will end up holding the bag. At that point, will it even be collectable? The banksters are not going to like it one bit.....karma is a b**** :)...

MS in Kiev said...

Anonymous 16:25

Well, there is this...

Transcarpathian region of Ukraine declared its independence

April 24, announced the establishment of the Transcarpathian republic. This republic Ruthenians.

Ruthenians - original people whose representatives do not consider themselves Ukrainians do not speak Ukrainian. They do not see their future in the nationalist state, which are trying to build the current fascist government in Kiev (and in essence - the junta which seized power).

Starting today, April 24, the state of the Ruthenians - Transcarpathian Rus - begins a new era. Recall that the former Transcarpathian region is situated on the west of Ukraine, and its inhabitants are ethnically different from the main western Ukrainian population, in particular - from residents of Lviv and other western regions of Ukraine.

-----

So, is this a serious declaration? Apparently Kiev doesn't think so, because no one in Kiev appears to even know about it.

Anonymous said...

Saker, can you explain why do you think that situation in Odessa is more complicated?

For us in Serbia, Odessa is very important! Why? Simply, because if Odessa also joins Russia, we will get Russia only 300 km from Serbia! That would be an enormous moral boost for all Serbians.

As you may know, the president of Republika Srpska, Serbian part of Bosnia, gave a statement in todays interview with Newsweek in which he stated that Serbs will make a referendum on partitioning from Bosnia. We need Russian support! Closer Russia is to us, more likely it is that Russia will defend Serbs if NATO tries to attack us again because of unification of Serbia and Republika Srpska.

So, please, if you know more about Odessa situation, inform us. We are following events very closely, and there is a real pro-Russian euphoria in Serbia since Crimea became a part of Russia.

Anonymous said...

Too bad that a parasitical plutocracy of 1% has put a non-entity like Obama in power.

It does not matter who is in the power in the USA. They all play for the same club. The captain can and will be changed but the goal remains the same, it is to create the unipolar world in which America will be the sole boss.
From Germany

Anonymous said...

What probability would you attach to military intervention by US (?UK, ?FR)?

I ask this because the hysteria in the US mainstream media is at an all-time high. They do not call for armed intervention (yet), but they are screaming as loudly as they ever have that Putin is the Greatest Satan since the Fall.

Anonymous said...

Saker: new to your blog over the last few weeks. You were late with your Sitrep.

Would you expand on your view of the situations in Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov? I have seen very little reports (and I read more than just western sources) concerning Kharkov. A few weeks ago there were some feeble attempts at building takeovers that were put down and then nothing since. I've seen nothing about Dnepropetrovsk other than the footballer riot the other day involving hooligans from two teams from there. Why is the situation there complex? I am speaking to the choir when I say that there is no reasonable analysis coming from any Western source. And your analysis at least appears logical.

I agree that Donetsk and Lugansk are lost, but there doesn't seem to be much going on elsewhere.

Regards,

Winston Smith

Luntmakaren said...

Thank you Saker and all commentators
for an interesting blog site. Best Regards from Stockholm!

Anonymous said...

From the Daily Telegraph:
"John Kerry, the US secretary of state, revealed that American eavesdroppers have overheard intelligence operatives being directed by Moscow.
"We know exactly who's giving those orders, we know where they are coming from," he said, in remarks to a private meeting that were leaked on Tuesday.
"Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language."

Just like the 'documents' proving tha Saddam had WMDs, produced by Colin Powell before the UN, and just like the 'proofs' that Assad had used chemical weapons ...

Take care.

Michael Collins said...

Shocking, this is not an easy task!!!

"Kerry is turning into a full-time buffoon who makes Hillary look rational." The Saker

Hillary is offensive but gets a nice press spin domestically. Watch Sen. Elizabeth Warren, an anti-crony capitalism Senator that the regular Democratic Party can't stand. She may unseat Hillary for the nomination in 2016.

Excellent summary and most useful. I'm heartened by the response of the citizens of the United States to this Ukrainian maddness.

Here's an interesting development. The White House is not blaming the neocons for tricking Obama into the hapless moves in the Ukraine. Sounds like a major CYA emerging in anticipation of a policy failure. Here's the article Killing the Putin Obama 'Trust' Roy McGovern

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

@Rowan Berkely:would be Mikhail Dobkin in bullet point 5, not Dokin, yes?

Ayup! My bad. Corrected now, thanks a lot!

Nora said...

Apparently the Duma just passed what AFP is called "draconian" measures on blog content. I'm guessing this is what Fursov was talking about but AFP is not always trustable. Does anyone here know any more about what restrictions were actually put in place?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/29/russian-bloggers-brace-for-the-worst-as-lawmakers-push-stiff-new-guidelines/

Anonymous said...

This is an official announcement by the City of Kiev of military exercises on the night of April 30 to May 1st in downtown Kiev.

http://kievcity.gov.ua/news/14504.html

Now, who is that angel with a sword?

It is non other than Saint Michael.

And who is Saint Michael?

It is the supreme enemy of Satan and all the fallen angels.

Interesting stuff.

Shmoo Report said...

I am so happy to find your blog. I have been searching for more correct information on what's happening in Ukraine. I can't get it from CTV or CBC or the lost plane channel CNN. Utube and twitter seem to be my only sources and using common sense. Why the western media in Canada seems so biased and uninformed is beyond me. That is not normally the case. This whole Ukraine matter is an ill informed hasty decision made when the events if the Berlin Wall coming down and the nuclear world being rearranged. No thought was given to the details and the peoples feelings at the time. It strikes me that the foreign ministers of the USA and Russia know the final bottom line but need to go through this dance given the history at the end of the Second Wirld war and the fall of communism. Ukraine is really two countries and always has been. Yatsenyuk and the right wingers are trying to grab as much as they can using the possibility of NATO involvement. A crazy time. I wish news stations gave it more time on the ground.

Anonymous said...

One point that must be emphasized in discussing US policy is that there is no policy -- except one of predation. The USG is deeply divided, the neocons circumvent Obama's line at will, and the executive flies by the seat of its pants. If not for the Joint Chiefs there would be no center -- but even they deplete much of their energy in trying to moderate the amateurs in charge (i.e., the politicians and ideologues).

Anonymous said...

Fascinating! Will they apply to join Slovakia if they feel thteatened? If they do and are let in (hugely improbable, but who knows odds of anything these days?) would Kiev send thugs against them? Would John Kerry praise this aggression on a NATO member (Slovakia) because this a "democratic" aggression?

Nora said...

“Some folks in Europe made mistakes, the association agreement became too much of an East-West tug of war. It shouldn’t have been,” US Secretary of State John Kerry reportedly said at a private meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington last Friday. His words were quoted by the Daily Beast on Tuesday.

Is that it? Is uber-rich Ketchup Kerry no more than a lackey to the.00000001% ? It sure sounds like he was apologising to his masters for why, when their little putsch hit all those road-bumps, it really wasn't his fault. Dang. You know, when Carter first got his head turned by that bunch, I thought it was a voluntary thing, just a peanut-farmer overly impressed with all that attention from all that money. Now I'm not so sure. I thought Kerry et. al. only kowtowed to AIPAC and spooks.

Paul said...

@Nora's question:But wouldn't our degrading GPS over Ukraine affect "our" side in any military action?

GPS is more than one signal. They are talking about the civilian side of GPS. The military side things are turned up and become more precise. I am not sure if this is done out of necessity due to power available in the system or just a feature, but when the civilian side goes soft, the military side gets more precise.


@Anonymous question: can you explain why do you think that situation in Odessa is more complicated?

I do not know Saker's reasons, but I can give you one of the things that does complicate this area. Romania. They have already mobilised some of their forces and moving closer to the borders of western Ukraine, Moldova, and Odessa. They have stated it is their responsibility to protect the Romanian speaking people in Odessa. Romania is a NATO country with US troops in country. If Russia is forced to enter Ukraine and NATO wanted to do something, this is one of the several points they would challenge from.

Reasons: your point about Serbs falls into this along with the east side of Moldova and Hungary. Plus the coastline is also a factor. The west wants to keep a wedge in these 3 areas between the Russian sphere of influence.

Michael said...

Slightly off topic, but I wonder did our Serbian poster know that Serbs from the Krajina were invited to settle in the southern and central areas of what we now call Ukraine in the 17th century. Their lands were called New Serbia and they were the first Cossacks. The name Ukraine looks to me like "u Krajina" Lugansk was a Serbian settlement.

Michael said...

Dear Saker

What has happened to the 15,000 Ukrainian soldiers and 160 tanks, etc that we're ready to put down the eastern rebellion?

Anonymous said...

Best way to view impressionist art is to stare for a few moments without focusing on any particular spot -- and wait for the patterns to emerge. Indeed, the patterns in Ukraine and elsewhere are coming into clearer focus. Sanctions are aimed at Putin's oligarchs to exert influence over his decisions. Rather quaint for ZATO oligarchs to think their Russian tribal brethren have any real or lasting effect on Putin. But this is clearly the aim. Seems to me that Putin is loyal to Russia foremost. So much time and disinformation efforts wasted trying to psychoanalyze Putin. It's silly. He holds his cards close to his vest and plays the hand he's dealt. And seems motivated by principles not recognized by most western analysts. It's hard for them to dissect "integrity" because they haven't experienced it in their professional lives. The Achilles-heel for Anglo-Zionist policy-makers is the inability to recognize or model integrity.

The last few days seem more uplifting somehow. Not to ignore the conflict happening on the ground in various locals -- but the change in atmosphere is striking. The Kiev putsch looks weaker, more shrill and increasingly scared. They look like the losers they are. That impression is coming through even US MSM! And the turmoil throughout MSM newsrooms throughout America on this story must be epic.

Have no clue how this will play out. Seems like Anglo-Zionists have jumped the shark on Ukraine. A little oligarch vs. oligarch bitch-slapping is a guilty pleasure as long as it doesn't end in a hot war. Now we have the "Sterling vs Ellison-Oprah-Geffen bread-and-circus-wars" to distract Americans from the middle-class holocaust happening throughout Main Street USA. Sigh.

AGS

Michael Collins said...

@Michael Collins above...

"Typo The White House is now (for not) blaming"

The WH knows they'll be screwed no matter what and the neocons will be the likely target to salve the base of the Democratic Party.

Anonymous said...

Any Russian speaker here?

http://cs607529.vk.me/v607529669/8321/9iaebzbLKio.jpg

What does the description say? I think it has to do with sarcasm, but not sure.

echingn successful said...

Concerning Kerry and his grasp of reality (or lack thereof), recall the famous quote by Karl Rove:

We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

Do not expect 'rational' behaviour from psychopaths. This quote is an expression of the attitude of people who will do anything they deem necessary to acieve their objectives.

That objective is world domination.

This is May 1914. We are sleep walking into a catastrophe of unconscionable proportions. Gavrillo Princip and a dozen others like him have been put into position (Kim Jong Il?). They are nearly prepared for the final act.

I'm sorry but we won't be able to stop this from behind our flickering screens. A few will try to take matters into their own hands. Assassinations of world leaders -- whether by governments or individuals, will soon become rampant. We've been taught all these stories throughout our whole lives. The plan has been initiated.

If you survive you'll be 'saved' by fake aliens. An Anti-Christ will take his seat on the throne of the world. If you don't believe you will be exterminated. Everthing is in place.

I can think of nothing that might prevent this from happening, except maybe a saboteur who is positioned at critical node and who must act very soon. They have contingencies for this too but if we see a moment of daylight, a breath of a chance, we must be ready to explode and bring these mother fuckers down.

Be ready. And pray.

Nora said...

Sorry -- here's the link for that Kerry quote, plus a lovely picture of him with Ashton. (Not really relevant but every time I see him I wonder what he looks like without his wig...)

http://rt.com/news/155896-kerry-blames-eu-ukraine/

Anonymous said...

DavidKNZ:

New Zealand is far away from all of this. But it is still a 5 eyes partner. Bob Jones, one of our "oligarchs" published an article suggesting we re-look at our relationship with Russia - see
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11245828

The comments in response are worth reading - seems that even here, the US capacity for interference in the affairs of other countries is seen for what it is, and not appreciated.
Regrettably, Australia seems far less evolved ;-)

Jonathan said...

Nora, actually, no. Selective Availability introduces measured inaccuracies on a predictable but confidential basis which can be compensated by authorized (non-civilian) GPS receivers. I don't know anything about the operational details, though. Empires fall when they go on tilt.

Michael Collins, Sen. Warren funnels campaign money to the Democratic Party's right wing (Begich, Pryor, Landrieu, et al), $10000 a pop. She's also strongly pro-apartheid, pro-oligarch and liberal (an ideology which, I remind you, is every bit as anti-communist as fascism). She's putting on a "rebel" act just like Paul Krugman, and for much the same reason: to set the leftmost bound of acceptable discourse in their domain, i.e. to model the Good Democrat.

I don't know what will happen if and as it becomes known that the Democratic Party is no left-wing outsider but only plays one on television (an insight which seems to be simultaneously confirmed and suppressed regularly every two years), but expatriation looks like a better idea every day.

Anonymous 18:46, assume it's a cheap bluff intended for the rubes until and unless audio has been released.

Angelika said...

First, I would like to thank @A. B. for his explanation two days ago to my question “about who is working the "western" front on propaganda:” It greatly helps me to understand some of the comments in the German press.

Secondly, something seems to have happened. Today we did not have the full propaganda program in the German press.

Only DIE ZEIT had an interesting article by Dr. Andreas Umland (1997-99 NATO Fellow at the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, Palo Alto, California. He lives in Kyiv, while teaching at the National University of "Kyiv-Mohyla Academy"
„Die Ukraine sollte die Wahl absagen“. It boils down to: "That implies that the forthcoming presidential election should be canceled and the Ukraine should became a parliamentary republic. This can happen through a consensus constitutional reform by a vote of 300 Members of Parliament. Second, this approach includes that the new occupants of the highest positions of government should reflect the regional, cultural and demographic composition of the Ukrainian population. Third, political polarization and amateurishness should be avoided by proper use of respected experts.” He is obviously afraid that: “In a possible runoff [Petro Poroshenko and Yulia Tymoshenko] a contest between the two would be meaningless, because their main political goals - a rapid Europeanization of Ukraine , followed by EU accession and simultaneous Atlantic integration – are the same . Many in the east and south of Ukraine would not vote at all in such a runoff election because they do not see their interests represented in either candidate." The article disappeared after three hours.

The problem with the propaganda in Germany is that looks like tailored to the Americans who don’t know where to find the Ukraine. In Germany, there is still a generation whose grandfathers knew far to well where Kiev lies.

Dear Saker, I really hope that the outcome will be such low level two-step disintegration of the Ukraine. Perhaps the Ukrainian people can then have a fresh start - with Putin advising them how to get rid of Oligarchs ;)).

jo6pac said...

Ray McGovern former cia.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/30/kerrys-propaganda-war-on-russias-rt/

Anonymous said...

DavidKNZ:

Russia Today reports on John Kerry's address to The Atlantic Council at:
http://rt.com/news/155780-kerry-nato-russia-challente/

He spells out the rationale behind this whole sorry saga:
"“Our entire model of global leadership is at stake. If we stand together, if we draw strength from the example of the past and refuse to be complacent in the present, then I am confident that NATO, the planet’s strongest alliance, can meet the challenges"

Its about unchallenged dominance, and not about Ukrainian freedoms. Just as Saker described some months ago.
:-)

Anonymous said...

@ http://cs607529.vk.me/v607529669/8321/9iaebzbLKio.jpg

I can see, son, you are not a Moskal (derogatory for Russian)

Wikispooks said...

This the first and only accurate article I have come across in the Western MSM on events in Ukraine to date.

Seumas Milne in The Guardian.

I guess miracles do happen occasionally

Anonymous said...

@ the western media in Canada seems so biased and uninformed

I gave up on the western media in Canada the moment they started to talk about double toilets in Sochi. I knew immediately that this was not the source of information any sane individual could trust.

Anonymous said...

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140/189487388/Russian-Happiness-at-25-Year-High--Poll.html

need we say more?
that too with 84% Popularity of Putin ?

tom garrett said...

Saker, your latest sitrep is very interesting and valuable. It would help though if you could specify the six additional eastern cities where 'insurrections' have taken place. I can't make the count.

The citizens action in Lugansk is very encouraging. And how gratifying it is to see citizens (at least partially)prevail without violence. My sense is that Lugansk is in a more solid position to actually organize a referendum than is Donetsk. Yours?

In Donetsk, whether the military concentration in the north-central region is inactive for fear of Russia or because Kiev is unsure how the troops will respond, they are still in place and the sour stalemate continues. Meantime, the upsurge in Mariupol seems to have been suppressed by national guard troops with substantial citizen casualties and 60+ people rounded up.

I wish I could be as sanguine about Kharkiv as you are. But Donetsk, far less Kharkov, will be hard pressed to organize a referendum before May 25, and before Kiev can mount its own "national referendum". And all the while. though Turdynov has moderated his bluster, the nasty work of setting up a repressive system gains momentum. Blackwater "trainers" are said to be multiplying, Poroshenko is evidently trying to bring in Israelis as well. 'Afterthought', who seems astute, says that "The death watch of the Kiev putsch is on". Hopefully so, but it does not promise to be a pleasant death.

One unknown, that could rather quickly change the game, resides in the attitude of presumably "on the fence" Ukrainian military commanders. The militarily ridiculous deployments along the Russian border may be designed to scatter them out to make coordination difficult. Some senior officers may have been bribed, others may be waiting for signs activists are winning or to be sure the Russians really do "have their backs". If--I think when--a major unit comes over the so called "domino effect" may be set in motion.

Less a prediction that a wishful thought: Maybe, given that it was once a Cossack stronghold, collaboration with Cossacks from the south bring a spring storm to Zaporozhye.

Finally, as to Kerry: I called a friend who has long known him and asked if Kerry was always that way. "TRhere was always less to John than met the eye" he replied. "He was always propelled by his own voice. But this..." Kerry did some things right when he first took over. I thought the tough talk was to keep Republicans and the Israeli lobby at bay. Now, it really has the look of rather marked cognitive decline. As they say, I guess, it takes one to know one.
Tom





My guess

Anonymous said...

I concur with the commenter above who says even Western MSM are getting desperate as they can no longer hide the incompetence and weakness of the Kiev junta, even while fanatically downplaying the significance of Right Sector and the Svoboda Party (the piece by the Polish contributor to the New York Times who is too young to even remember what Communist Poland was like was particularly egregious, acknowledging the Svoboda Party and Nazi Oleh Tyanhgbok's presence in photos with McInsane and Victoria Nuland but saying it means nothing because Dmitry Yarosh met with the Israeli Ambassador and foreswore anti-Semitism, as if such claims can be taken at face value).

The AP's senior Moscow correspondent says today her reporters went to the 'concentration camp' in Donetsk region and found that it was an ordinary, EU funded detention facility for illegal migrants into the EU whose construction was funded in 2010. Of course, she couldn't bother to ask why Ukraine would need a detention facility for illegal EU migrants, is the country overrun with Roma and from former Soviet Central Asia? Or is the presence of an EU-funded detention facility in E. Ukraine supposed to imply that Russians will soon desperately flee Putin's evil dictatorship for the paradise of the EUSSR once Ukraine joins? At any rate while it may not be a full Nazi style concentration camp, the location of the detention facility makes little sense unless as early as 2010 someone was plotting for the need to be able to round up Donbass people who wouldn't like what was coming.

Shame on the AP's Moscow and Kiev bureaus, they have become nothing more than spin doctors. The issue IS NOT that Right Sector or Svoboda poll in the single digits nationally, the issue is whether their yet to be disarmed militias will be the ones counting the votes! AP and Reuters won't even report the street fighting between 'Maidan defense' and Right Sector thugs in Kiev, we have to rely on Russian media for that! Western MSM thus are completely discrediting themselves, as the hysterical NBC/ABC/CBS nightly news reports for the low info voters showed Russian jets and tanks ready to invade Ukraine any moment last week and yet time goes on and Russia doesn't invade. People are beginning to wake up and realize they're being lied to at all levels and Kerry is pathetic and unable to satisfy either the hawks nor back off his ludicrous threats against Russia.

seemorerocks said...

Re Kerry: I loved James Howard Kunstler's comment - "Kerry - a hairstyle in search of a brain"

Anonymous said...

Here's another hackish lead, from the Washington (com)Post long known among Russia watchers in the U.S. as 'Pravda on the Potomac':

"DONETSK, Ukraine — Before he became leader of the Donetsk People's Republic — a renegade regime that has spread chaos and fear across eastern Ukraine — Denis Pushilin sold shares in a Russian pyramid scheme."

"His comrade-in-arms, the hostage-taking "people's mayor" of Slovyansk, operated a small soap factory."

"Today the two men threaten to sink this region into anarchy with their violence-fueled quest for autonomy from the pro-Western government in Kiev."

If they can't arrest or overrun the Donbass republic, they can at least trash its leaders. To the uninformed this makes the Western MSM and the Kiev ally it has been ordered to make look good at all costs look strong. In reality they are very weak, if all they can sling is barrels of ink instead of bullets at their pro-Russia enemies.

Nora said...

tom garrett,

OMG. That quote about Kerry is hysterical! But he's only 70, that's really not that old -- maybe his wig's too heavy and squeezing all his brain cells? Seriously, it could just be that playing Bad Cop to Obama's Good Cop (?) is not a role he's ever done before, but the change in the man is remarkable.

More importantly, you seem knowledgeable about Ukraine, so let me ask a couple of other questions while I'm at it. Saker's map is good to ponder, but I'm wishing I knew a bit more about goings on in Mykolaiv and Kherson. Do you know anything about them? What are they like socio-demographically? How likely would they be to follow suit, should Kharkiv and maybe even Dnepropetrovsk start getting it together against Kiev? It would make it easier for Odessa, etc., I would think, but I'm also looking at the Dnieper as a natural boundary -- would any oblast maybe be likely to split?

mjm said...

Greetings from Singapore:
As usual Saker's analysis and his sitrep is excellent.
My view here:
(1) The crisis with Russia, solely induced by the U.S., is part of a containment policy against China. "Containment" of Russia is actually, at the end, containment of China. China is going to be the strongest economy on this planet at the end of 2014 and no sane nation would choose U.S (a moral, economical and political bankrupt), unless it is suicidal.
(2) I do not see Germany choosing the loosing side. They know well that the Eurasia concept is the only sustainable alternative. After some more 'noise' (for the sake of making the U.S. happy), I expect Germany to jump in and assist Russia in federalizing Ukraine and keep Ukraine neutral.

Anonymous said...

Crazy Ivan says...

I fully agree with those who claim the time slowly stop to play for Russia and slowly start to play to the junta.

What really is going on is totally hid from our eyes. We look like the (in)famous CIA agents glued to the monitors' screens in Langley 15 years ago and taking intel from Internet only.

@ tom garret set the issue straight - I'd like to know what's going on in other parts of Eastern Ukraine too.

When Crimea was at stake (with all foreseeable negative consequences to Russia) events were rolling like a snowball. Now all have been stopped as if everyone waited where to point his ear or what step will do the other side.

Only prospective Russian intervention keeps the Kiev thugs at bay reaching out for full scale attack.

But if Mariupol can be an example - every side have been learning quickly - Kiev how to regain slowly and in small chunks what they lost yesterday, US how to keep pressure giving nothing from her side (has anything agreed upon been implemented yet?) and Russians how to gain using US tactics in a foreign country/territory choosing local population for her cause.

But the Russian strategy is not winning in my view. I'll get back to the Mariupol example. 60+ people arrested then sentenced for 4 years in prison (for example) will not give Russia pretext in the eyes of the world for "helping fist" against "Black Sector". And pro-Russian activist will end up having destroyed their lives only and the lives of their families.

For those who think that Ukrainian "civilian" forces like Police and Security Services (be it SS, GSP, SBU or other political police) can be part of a "nation" I can only say they should NEVER be trusted as they NEVER change sides - that's their jobs to stay for and support the state authorities. So was in Poland during Solidarity days and before the times and after. And it's so today.

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

The Western MSM are not discrediting themselves with their lies, distortions and service to the Empire of Eternal exceptionalism, now. They have no credit left, nor have had any for decades, to 'discredit'. It is a crude, vicious and morally filthy propaganda system, dedicated to furthering the economic, geo-political and class interests of its owners. The moral calibre of the presstitutes left after decades of culling along ideological lines, by the likes of Murdoch, can be understood by looking at scandals like the phone-hacking obscenity in the UK, one of countless similar examples. They are acting in precisely the manner that they have acted in regard to Saddam's WMD, Libya, Syria, Israel, Lebanon, Iran, China, Russia etc for decades.

mjm said...

Greetings from Singapore:
Further to my previous: When I mention Eurasia, I see a wider context. It should be Germany - Russia - China as main partners. Add to it as complements: Iran and Brazil eventually. This are the countries which could build up a sustainable world system, in opposition to the predatory model from the U.S.

Penny said...


"Kerry is turning into a full-time buffoon who makes Hillary look rational"

Saker, you are being generous
Hillary could never look rational, no matter how big a buffoon Kerry is

btw: don't know if anyone mentioned this but Canada is taking the lead for the OSCE military observers

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

Wikispooks, Milne's sensible contribution was met by the sub-fascist trolls with indignation and lies. The totalitarian instincts of the Western elite have been projected on even the least significant of their camp-followers. They simply cannot deal with a different opinion, and cannot or will not stoop to mounting an argument, being mostly intellectually insufficient to the task. There is nothing these creatures enjoy more than hating others, either the poor and downtrodden, those of other races or religions, or those 'enemies' that their Thought Controllers in the hatemongering Western MSM tell them to fear and despise.

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

Angelika, the Die Zeit article lasting three hours before being disappeared down the Memory Hole indicates that someone will get a rap over the knuckles, and probably have their career curtailed. Don't you just love the 'Free Press' and really existing 'Western Moral Values'(TM)? The reaction was almost as swift as Kerry-Cohen's immediate full strength grovel after he said that Israel 'risked' becoming an apartheid state, itself a sick joke as Israel has been an apartheid state since 1947. In fact, if looked at dispassionately, Judaism created, global, eternal, apartheid between the Jews and the goyim around 1500 BCE.

Anonymous said...

Crazy Ivan says...

Something to thought over for you, The Saker. About Poland's stand in this "Clash of Titans".

"We installed hating Polish Bandera at the behest of Berlin"

http://www.tvp.info/15018608/zainstalowalismy-nienawidzacych-polski-banderowcow-na-polecenie-berlina

Mr Korwin-Mikke has never lied to appease voters or gain publicity. He's always known more than other regime politicians.

BTW Germany seems to provide triple play policy - for themselves (always, for IV Reich), for the US, to be treated as truthful ally and for Russia to help her to shake off the NATO (read US) yoke.

I would never ever trusted Siemens after Stuxnet revelations. Not to mention it was German secret services which worked on Ukraine together with USA, it was German military which helped Croats to remove Serbs from their land (in whole picture it was Germany which destroyed Yugoslavia after Pentagonale and Xexagonale were established comprising of two strongest anti-German countries in the world - Poland and Yugoslavia. Poland was pacified by German agents like present Polish Prime Minister who will not make a fart without a phone from Mrs. Merkel), and the biggest group of OSCD "agents" arrested by pro-Russian forces in Ukraine came from Germany (interesting, isn't it?)

I read nearly all commentaries and the German thread is well described. It only confirms my suppositions about German's goal in future world, and I'm not alone in my premonitions.

Penny said...

Saker? we have been talking about the Polish deadheading in 2010
Recall that?

I rehashed a big post on it, with updates and then karin mentioned James Corbett had done a recent piece on it. checked it out
Then james left the link back to J Corbett's original piece in 2012

I see two of the biggest beneficiaries, right now in Poland, of the taking out of the Polish gov back in 2010
Tusk and Sikorski who I understand is married to Annie Applebaum- uber propagandist and ultra zionist

I used a gardening analogy at that time "deadheading" I am certain you know what that is?

I relinked all the Polish stuff in this post at the bottom

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2014/04/canada-takes-over-military-leadership.html

In 2010 the NATO media was busily blaming Russia for the crash, but, I couldn't see how they would benefit at the time
Recently Poland's defence minister has been going back and forth with the US

Anyway, wondered if you recalled that whole incident?
And if you did what you thought about it and can you see how it connects up to Ukraine today?
I know it is a lot,so when you have time- thanks

Daniel Rich said...

Saker,

Q1: Mikhail Dobkin, a top Party of Regions figure and close friend of the Major

R1: Make that MAYOR

Q2: a Spetsnaz unit

R2: I honestly thought I was a very tough guy…, until I met a couple of them in Canada. I don’t like eating humble pie, but I ate the whole ff-ing thing, including the pan. No way to win hand-to-hand combat against these guys. I can take a beating, but nothing compared to these guys. Scary.

Of course, they die, like all of us…

veritas said...

Dear The Saker,

Saw this:

20:18 GMT:

Ukraine has expelled the naval attaché of Russia’s embassy in Kiev, declaring him persona non grata, Interfax news agency reported

Rgds,

Veritas

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

Nora, if the Russian Duma is cracking down on the use by the Real Evil Empire of Eternal Exceptionalism, Inc., of the internet as a means of propaganda and subversion of target states, then I say, 'About time'. And the traitors, the fully owned stooges of the REEEE, need to be loaded on planes, given a parachute, and dropped off over Kiev, so that they can join their friends in Banderastan.

Pasolini said...

Ukraine is yet another defeat for the US. But there are still those too shocked and awed to believe this is possible.

Keeping an eye on the long-term picture, I'd say that instead of the US isolating Russia, it's going to work the other way round. It's the US--which one should always remember is geographically a big island--that will find itself isolated as it pushes Russia, China, and Iran closer together and forces Europe to chose between its economic interests and its servility to American dictates.

The problem the US faces as an empire is that it is increasingly an empire run by culturally illiterate techno-nerds who have no comprehension of the history and culture of other people. The superiority of American arms is to a large extent negated by the blind arrogance of the establishment they serve. Anyone who doubts this should read Anand Gopal's account in Asia Times of how in Afghanistan, the US snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/SOU-02-300414.html

In retrospect, winning the Cold War has turned out to be a curse for the American ruling class because it encouraged the fantasy that American power has no limits (the nonsense about the end of history). I mean it really is telling that today the George H. W. Bush administration (Bush the elder) looks rational compared to all subsequent administrations, all of which give the impression of being run by amateurs. It was Bush the elder who in 1991 presciently cautioned Ukraine against "suicidal nationalism." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Kiev_speech

The nascent neocons jumped on his throat. They won out and ever since they've been been leading the country form one disaster to another.

Andrea G said...

Здравствуйте, Ваш блог очень интересный, особенно меня впечатляет Ваше личное мнение по поводу политики Владимира Владимировича Путина, которого я очень уважаю как политика, как здравомыслящего человека, как нашу единственную надежду на то, что на Украине восторжествует справедливость и мир! В связи с этим хочу Вам рассказать одну реальную историю, что случилась на Украине, в связи со сложившимися обстоятельствами. Многие люди в России и в Украине общаются по поводу всего происходящего на Украине. Так вот один день, мне написал один парень, который в данный момент живет в Германии, он решил забрать своего дедушку, который находится на Украине, он отправил приглашение в посольство Германии в Киеве, дедушка туда приехал, чтобы оформить соответствующий документ, так как особых документов не нужно было. Был один формуляр, в котором было несколько вопросов, первый - "В каком году Вы в последний раз посещали Германию", дедушка написал - в 1945 году, далее второй вопрос "Какой вид транспорта Вы использовали для прибылтия в Германию", дедушка и на этот вопрос написал честно - на танке. После чего, ему было отказано в поездке в Германию! После того, как консул посольства Германии сказал дедушке о том, что ему отказано в визе, дедушка решил пошутить и сказал ," А что я бы и сейчас повторил это", на что ему указали на выход. Самое смешное, что дедушка то написал правду, ведь он дошел до Берлина именно в 1945 году и на танке. Но, к сожалению, в посольстве, были просто в шоке и естественно, просто потому что боятся, а чего, Бог его знает, но мы все понимаем. Вот такая забавная жизненная история! Спасибо Вам за Ваш блог!!!

-yt said...

"Then, I can only express my amused amazement at Kerry's latest expression of hot air. What does "we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it" supposed to mean?!"

IMHO Kerry chooses his words carefully. Here he transports two messages. The first is a psychological one, posing as the strong man (the US) to the rest of the world (yes, hot air, but with the effect he wanted). The second message to those concerned is simply: We won't go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

Its never good to underestimate the other side and i don't think Kerry acts irrational. In fact, he may be the best man they have to put in his position.

-yt

P.S. The captchas are unreadable. I need to reload them dozends of times and still fail.

Anonymous said...

from amerika: many here support east ukraine and russia. let's work together for freedom, revolution and peace!

Nora said...

tom garrett,

On second thought, I think you're right about Kerry. His face and behavior are just too far off. What's really scary is, do you think anyone in the Oval Office or State Department has either noticed, or cares enough to find a replacement? And if so, (eeek!) whom? But yes, I think there's something really wrong with the guy, way above and beyond just being an empty (but well-tailored) suit.

вот так said...

Saker

Thanks for the detailed sitrep. Very useful.

With Kiev supposedly giving up trying to retake lost ground (though I don't believe it), one might see a lot more people joining in the federalisation cause. It could reach a critical mass where the movement snowballs, movements like this often do that. At that point, it could even effect people in central and west Ukraine who were earlier pro-maidan. My guess is that if the banderivtsy was neutralised, then the rest of Ukrainians could probably work out a reasonable compromise state. This is why I think the zionists/fascists of the NWO are putting their effort behind these nazis. The nazi will keep the country in conflict and this is what the western plutocracy wants now. probably wanted all along.

Anonymous said...

China, Russia to hold joint naval drill in politically sensitive East China Sea

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1501217/china-russia-hold-joint-naval-drill-politically-sensitive-east-china-sea

Anonymous said...


Found it interesting:

Oligarchical topography of Ukraine. Andrei Fursov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLUJpqaQpY

WizOz said...

@I wonder why these Jews who usually are hyper-sensitive to "genetic" issues all remained silent and smiling when a neo-Nazi nationalist was seriously discussing how the Asia genes of Russians made them different and less capable of opposing lies than the putative Ukrainian "race".

Well, I think that illustrates better than anything what was all about.
The general hysterical tone of the "West", its disregard of any realities on the ground in the name of a vapid ideology, is perfectly consonant with the hysterics of Netanyahu in the name of the zionist theology.

WizOz

Anonymous said...

was listening to Hilter's 11 minute monologue with Mannerheim. it's got this tidbit: "if you are one of my generals had stated that any nation has 35,000 tanks I'd have said: "You, my good sir, you see everything twice or ten times. You are crazy; you see ghosts." This I would have deemed possible. I told you earlier we found factories, one of them at Kramatorskaja, for example, two years ago there were just a couple of hundred [tanks]. We didn't know anything. Today, there is a tank plant, where (short pause) during the first shift a little more than 30,000, and around the clock a little more than 60,000, workers would have labored (short pause) a single tank plant, we occupied it, a gigantic factory, masses of workers who certainly lived like animals and...

Another voice in the background: (Interrupting) In the Donets area?

Hitler: In the Donets area."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_and_Mannerheim_recording

Is that the same location that the Ukranian Army occupied the airfield? Kramatorsk?

John 97205 said...

tom garrett wrote:
"It would help though if you could specify the six additional eastern cities where 'insurrections' have taken place. I can't make the count."

For what it's worth, the large map at today's post here…

'Presenting Russian East Ukraine: These Are The Cities Controlled By "Separatists"'
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-30/presenting-russian-east-ukraine-these-are-cities-controlled-separatists

…claims public buildings in 14 towns are occupied by separatists and, of those 14, claims three entire towns (Lugansk, Slavyansk, Gorlivka) are "separatist controlled.'

Anonymous said...

from amerika:

east ukraine revolutionary truth

the nazis moved to the usa, so in that sense, wwii was lost to the people, although the soviet union defeated germany.

the soviet union dissolved post-cold war, but communism was not defeated. it lives in the hearts, minds and souls of the people.

let's celebrate may 1 - may 9!

let's work together for freedom, revolution and peace!

WizOz said...

@Pasolini: The problem the US faces as an empire is that it is increasingly an empire run by culturally illiterate techno-nerds who have no comprehension of the history and culture of other people.

Absolutely correct.

Hanlon's razor: 'Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity'.

Grey's Law: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice".

That brings us to the classic Peter Principle: "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties" and "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".

Anonymous said...

"In an extraordinary interview with the Wall Street Journal given Monday and published Tuesday, US Secretary of State John Kerry made clear that the Obama administration and the US military/intelligence establishment are fully aware that they are risking the outbreak of nuclear war by pursuing a reckless and provocative policy towards Russia."

Full article here - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38376.htm

Anonymous said...

I guess most Russians have recently listened to multiple interviews with Igor Strelkov, the new face of Donbas insurgency. If you haven't, do not hesitate to do so. Who could have thought that Donbas will be lead by an avid White movement supporter, war veteran, military reconstructor and a former GRU colonel? A truly remarkable man.

Here is a very interesting article about him in Russian

http://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/11695/rules-of-strelkov/

Where-Wolf said...

Mohamed said...

Like I said earlier, that both Obama and Putin are in cohort.

I believed this myself until fairly recently. Remember Obama is only a figure head.

He is playing the role of good cop. Those who are pulling his strings want Putin to believe that he has friends who want to de-escalate the situation. Meanwhile they continue to escalate on all fronts.

Think about it.

Daniel Rich said...

In the grand scheme of life, Ukraine Crisis Accelerating the Restructuring of the World @ http://www.voltairenet.org/article183542.html might be of interest.

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

@Damian Gunjak:What will happen with the Baltics if Nato gets involved though? Does a skirmish in Ukraine where NATO units participate translate into open conflict with Russia in the Baltics

Well, I don't think that Russia has any desire or need to do anything the Baltic states even if their regimes are basically racist. Over time, Russia will simply aquire the Baltics by economic means. As for the stupid Balts, let them see where having neo-Nazis in power lead the Ukraine. The "equation" for all these statlets is the same one:

Common border with Russia + russophobia + reliance on overseas powers = disaster

@Old Ez:trying to get the Russian elite to abandon Putin? If that is the case, what chance does this tacttic have of succeeding? Zero? Slightly above zero?

Zero. Besides, Putin's power base is not in the elites, but in the masses of regular folks.

@Mohamed: Obama and Putin are in cohort.

No. Obama works for the Empire. Putin wants to bring it down.

@bluelight:Saker, what are the logistics when Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov regions become independent. Are they self-sustainable that they have an adequate revenue base?

Like Crimea: short term difficulties, long term "no brainer". These are by far the wealthiest parts of the Ukraine. And it will be easy to integrate the eastern economies into the Russian one and, via Russia, with Kazakhstan, Belarus and Armenia.

@MS in Kiev:Transcarpathian region of Ukraine declared its independence

Of course, them and Transdniestria too. But here the geography is against them. That is going to be tough. Only possible in the long term. But yes, that is a first step.

@Anonymous:can you explain why do you think that situation in Odessa is more complicated?

Sure. It is a very diverse and unique city. Very very diverse and almost a separate state. Also, it is the last big Ukie port anywhere, so they have more forces there. They are so afraid of a Russian landing that they even put special barriers on the beaches. It is a special case in many ways, not at all like Crimea or the Donbass.

@Anonymous: What probability would you attach to military intervention by US (?UK, ?FR)?

Zero. Unless, of course, you assume that everybody in the White House is a lunatic and a drooling idiot. Crazy people do crazy stuff, but I don't think that the folks in power in the USA are crazy. Dumb, yes. Arrogant, yes. Ignorant, yes. But not dumb or suicidal.

@Anonymous:Would you expand on your view of the situations in Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov?

These are two big urban areas in which the nationalists definitely have supporters. Maybe not a majority, but not a small minority either. Urban centers are complicated and difficult to manage for both sides, so neither is in full control right now. Could go either way I suppose, but whoever ends up controlling it will have a headache on his hands.

... to be continued

Where-Wolf said...

Anonymous said...

As you may know, the president of Republika Srpska, Serbian part of Bosnia, gave a statement in todays interview with Newsweek in which he stated that Serbs will make a referendum on partitioning from Bosnia. We need Russian support!

The statements made by the President of Republika Srpska -- in Newsweek demonstrate that he is acting under the direction of NATO.

Don't get fooled again my friends.

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

... continued


@Michael:What has happened to the 15,000 Ukrainian soldiers and 160 tanks, etc that we're ready to put down the eastern rebellion?

Nothing. They are still there. Useless. Literally useless as "cannot be used by the junta". They were ordered to put down the East, but that does not mean that they were "ready". Also, having the Russians go on massive maneuvers right across the border probably scared the shit out of them (as it should).

Daniel: Spetsnaz

Interesting, can you tell us how you met them and what kind of Spetsnaz (GRU, FSB, VDV, Naval) they were. The ones I personally know best are the FSB "Vympel" who are not only strong, but very smart and very well-educated. 2 college degrees used to be a requirement in the days (not sure today). But yes, when I hear all the propaganda about the great SEALs/Delta I always smile.

@Аndrea G:история хорошая и так оно и есть. зря консул так среагировал. Правда она есть правда.

-yt:IMHO Kerry chooses his words carefully. Here he transports two messages. The first is a psychological one, posing as the strong man (the US) to the rest of the world (yes, hot air, but with the effect he wanted). The second message to those concerned is simply: We won't go to war with Russia over Ukraine

You might be right, of course, but that kind of message should be delivered by other channels. But I sure hope that you are right!

@EVERYBODY: I know that there have been problems with the captchas, I am very sorry, I have no control over that. It is a blogger issue which will be solved after a few hours as usual. Sorry!

Also - sorry for the shorthand style of my replies, I am simply pressed for time.

Cheers to all,

The Saker

Nora said...

God Bless you, Saker! We are all very grateful to you for what you do, and amazed you have enough hours in the day to do it! Thank you for creating this community; it's an oasis for the mind, heart, soul and spirit.

Daniel Rich said...

@ Saker,

If memory serves me well, the translator said 'KGB.' [20 years ago, in case that makes any difference].

Anonymous said...

@amerika 01 May, 2014 01:21

"the nazis moved to the usa, so in that sense, wwii was lost to the people, although the soviet union defeated germany"

A very astute comment.

There is a huge amount of evidence to support this claim.

Operation Paperclip for a start.

The Nazis imported to the US by the OSS/CIA under that program were integrated into the Military/Industrial Complex and influenced the whole system of secret government ever thereafter.

There was of course also much support for the Nazis (financial and industrial) before and during WWII by many of the wealthy US elite - including the much lauded Henry Ford (a very staunch supporter of the Nazis and Hitler - a fact which is NEVER mentioned by the controlled western media).

Prescott Bush was also very actively supporting the Nazis - another fact whitewashed by the controlled media.

Anyone interested in the issue of the US-Nazi connection will find the books 'The Fourth Reich' and 'Who Financed Hitler' excellent starting points with many original sources of information referenced in each.

Sadly, it would appear there is considerable evidence that current US hegemony is engineered by a wealthy elite with close historical connections with the Nazis of the last generation.

There is too of course the issue of the missing Nazi fortune amassed before and during the war that has apparently been 'lost' according the 'offical' sources. How have those riches been put to use over the past 70 years? On this topic, the exceptionally well researched and relatively recent book 'Grey Wolf' is very enlightening.

The curtain is slowly being pulled back and the secret rulers of the world do not like it one bit.

It is all connected.

Anonymous said...

There are a LOT of comments over past weeks along the lines of that made today by:

@Shmoo Report 30 April, 2014 19:38

To that person in Canada and EVERYONE else in a similar position to having found this blog and its treasure of analysis by the Saker along with the intelligent and enlightened commentatiors -

PLEASE share the blog with everyone you know and get them to do the same.

It is important for the people of Ukraine and Russia that the information disseminated here be widely known to counter the nonsense spewed forth by the controlled media.

Anderson said...

In response to:

@Shmoo Report 30 April, 2014 19:38

and all those others who have found the Saker's blog over the past weeks, PLEASE share it with everyone you know and get them to do the same.

It is critically important that the people of the western world be informed with balanced information to counter the drivel spewed forth by the controlled media.

The invaluable analysis by the Saker along with the intelligent and enlightened commentary make this an essential daily read.

The ordinary people of Ukraine have no voice - it has been drowned out be the controlled western media.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said... Any Russian speaker here?
http://cs607529.vk.me/v607529669/8321/9iaebzbLKio.jpg
What does the description say? I think it has to do with sarcasm, but not sure

The lady is very glad that her daughter's beloved is not a Moskal/Russian :)

shed

Petri Krohn said...

There seems to be some kind of military genius at work in the Donbass People's Militia – maybe totally unintentionally. The resistance is now building an iron ring from Mariupol to Donetsk, to Slovyansk, to Lugansk, effectively encircling all of Kyiv's troops and armor in the east. There is a great danger (for the Kyiv junta) that these will fall into the hands of the antifascist resistance. Large parts of the army may simply join the People's Army. There may be enough tanks there to liberate Kiev!

Moscow claimed that there are "15,000 Ukrainian soldiers and 160 tanks" in Donbass ready to crush the resistance. This seems to be misinformation from the Russian side. Most are regular Ukrainian Army troops sent to the east to block Russian tank columns. The Ukrainian Army has never allowed itself to be used in the internal political conflict, nor do I think it would now. For internal suppression and oppression NATO has established the Natsionalniy Gvardii (NazGuard).

***

I have been reading on the Slovenian Independence War or "Ten-Day War". In essence the war was about control of border crossings. Initially Slovenia took control of the posts. The Yugoslav Army responded by moving in heavy armor and retaking most of the posts. In the end 4,600 Yugoslav troops were taken prisoner along with much of the heavy armor.

Turchinov's task now is to avoid this scenario. He will have to withdraw all Ukrainian troops, police and border guards from Donbass and set up new border posts and defensive lines in Izyum and in the west. If he succeeds, Donbass will become Russia overnight.

For all of Novorossiya to be liberated the resistance must not play by this book. It is vital that the troops and border controls – with Ukrainian flags and under Kyiv control – be kept in place as long as possible.

In Slovenia the Brioni Accords delayed independence by three months. In retrospect, it may be exactly this delay that led to the total breakup of Yugoslavia.

***

One must not forget, that Putin and Russia took a major step in stabilizing Ukraine by annexing Crimea. If that had NOT happened, Crimean self-defense troops, even regular army troops stationed on Crimea would now be fighting in Novorossiya – perfectly legally under international law!

Colinjames said...

Kerry was a full time buffoon before, he's now firmly I'm the lead for biggest clown on earth. If it wasn't for the genetically-enabled lie-proof Ukie guy, I'd hand it to him right now. And then there's always Donald Trump lurking around waiting to jump into the mix, and a few other politicos here in the states ready to unleash some load of crap that might make Kerry look good by comparison. But no doubt, he IS the front-runner at this point.

The Nazis admitting defeat gives me joy no end. Ahh, the schadenfreude is lovely in Spring! I would just love to be a fly on the wall in the officers of Nuland, McCain, or any other neocon, anywhere right about now. Another one firmly in the 'loss' column for The Exceptionally American Foreign Policy Blunder Machine. Although now I suppose we can expect ramped up coup operations in Venezuela, or more deadly arms for AQ in Syria, something to satisfy their blood-lust and soothe their surely bruised egos. At least I feel like the risk of an imminent wider war has abated, for which I am relieved, but not rejoicing too much as there is surely more suffering to come for Ukraine thanks to this catastrophe of a coup.

Anonymous said...

@ Nora ... uber-rich Ketchup Kerry

It's his wife, who is uber-rich, Nora, not Kerry :)

shed

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

@Colinjames:Ahh, the schadenfreude is lovely in Spring!

What a great sentence! Can I borrow it and use it in a title if/when circumstances warrant that?

I will put the first 's' in capital case though, as names in German are capitalized.

Cheers!

The Saker

Where-Wolf said...

@ Saker

Anonymous asked: What probability would you attach to military intervention by US (?UK, ?FR)?

Zero. Unless, of course, you assume that everybody in the White House is a lunatic and a drooling idiot. Crazy people do crazy stuff, but I don't think that the folks in power in the USA are crazy. Dumb, yes. Arrogant, yes. Ignorant, yes. But not dumb or suicidal.

The definitiveness of your statement is too strong. Based on the past behaviour of the puppet masters we can not say that the chances of war are anywhere close to zero. The decision makers may not think they are suicidal to begin with. They always grossly overestimate their capabilities and have an almost unlimited capacity for self delusion.

Everywhere I look I see signs of escalation and mobilization. Mohamad said he thought Obama and Putin were in cahoots. I agree with you that they are on opposite sides but it is possible that Obama himself does not know what side he is on. I believe he is completely out of the loop on decision making. At some point he may become more useful dead than alive.

Every opportunity for the West to de-escalte ans save face, given them by Putin and Lavrov, has been missed by a very wide mark. Let me repeat a phrase familiar to Americans:

All options are still on the table.

Miscalculation is also always a possibility. Rogue actions by unknown persons including military commanders cannot be discounted. In Palestine Abbas is panicking publicly stating the holocaust is the worst crime in history while stories about the coming Third Temple are appearing in semi-reputable news sources. I believe he is terrified that a new round of mass ethnic cleansing is about to get underway. Stories that Kim Jong is planning a new round of nuclear tests are also appearing. I believe this is a false flag operation years in the making. CNN refuses to talk about anything but flight 370 and the racist remarks of the owner of a basketball team. I think this news black out is meant to keep the lid on not just Americans but also on analysis by by foreign powers. When millions of people from around the world watch overt propaganda from America they are bound to see things not apparent to the propagandists themselves. The curtain has been drawn for a reason.

Beyond all this I have noticed many disturbing trends in the propaganda I am seeing in Canada where all disinformation goes directly through the CBC.

continued in part II

Where-Wolf said...

@ Saker (part 2)

Canadian propaganda is usually unsophisticated and ahistorical. They are not very good at telling a convincing lie and their mistakes are often glaring.

On the one level there is overt propaganda. This is the straight up lying they do all the time. The attitude of this stuff has changed fairly drastically over the last several days. They have abandoned all sensitivity to the underlying reality -- as if they no longer care what well informed people think. To me the changes are indicative of panic, fear and a recognition that their audience is growing wise to the disinformation. They would prefer to speak only to willing fools. Today I heard a woman on CBC radio reading a script with unmistakable fear and hesitation in her voice. I have listened to her for years and she is a very smart person. If the words she was reading were true, she should have no reason to have sounded this way.

This is thin, I know, but there is another level of propaganda which is also very different. In addition to overt propaganda there is the stuff that they are trying to whisper into your subconscious. Disturbing thoughts and ideas that have no direct relation to the situation in any story keep popping up in unusual places. I have heard World War 3 brought up several times for no apparent reason both yesterday and today. Someone is inserting this thought into the minds of viewers and listeners on radio. Today an announcer suddenly burst in after an awkward moment of silence to say that "Canadians are still not heeding the advice of experts and stocking up on emergency supplies." The advice given was very specific: have at least three days of supplies on hand at all times.

In another instance, actor Bob Hoskins was reported to have died today. The story began with a long and creepy monologue from an old movie in which Hoskins asks us to find the spirit of Dunkirk. WTF? It was chilling to listen to and there are examples of this kind of thing all the time.

I understand it is difficult to make a strong case that war is coming from bits of highly subjective information but I have spent years listening to this stuff very carefully. Canada is part of the Imperial Domain. They receive direct instructions from London or Washington. They must interpret those instructions and present them in a Canadian context. Their many mistakes often are often a very good indicator of what the ruling elites are thinking. Basically, their propaganda sucks. The biggest lies told often require a radical interpretation of well known historical facts but since Canadians do not know history very well they usually get away with it.

Something is brewing.

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

@Where-Wolf: The definitiveness of your statement is too strong. Based on the past behaviour of the puppet masters we can not say that the chances of war are anywhere close to zero. The decision makers may not think they are suicidal to begin with. They always grossly overestimate their capabilities and have an almost unlimited capacity for self delusion. Everywhere I look I see signs of escalation and mobilization.

Look, I do also see the signs of escalation, and I have to admit that history shows that imperial leaders have turned into total megalomaniacs who thought that they were invincible. What can I say other than in my opinion the USA/NATO/EU do not have a military option, at least not a viable one. My guess is that what the US is up to is giving a meaning to NATO and create a new Cold War. Also, it is precisely because of their weakness that they are grandstanding and acting tough. But in military terms, the US cannot win a war against Russia any more than Russia could win one against the USA. Even if we take nuclear weapons out of the equation (and there is NO reason to do so, quite to the contrary), then there is still geography which makes a Russian-US war a crazy proposition for both parties. Can you really imagine NATO tanks cruising down the Ukrainians plains or the USAF trying to penetrate what is BY FAR the most advanced air-defense network on the planet?
What the US/NATO will probably do is look fierce and determined along the Ukie/Polish border. At the very very very craziest, they will cross that border and move into eastern Ukraine like the 82nd Airborne did in Saudi Arabia, to be a "tripwire" at the request of the "sole legitimate President of the Ukraine" - Turchinov (LOL!). But actually engage the Russian army on the exact same land were Napoleon and Hitler lost it all?
No, I cannot imagine that.
Can you?
Cheers,
The Saker

Anderson said...

An (as always) entertaining discussion about the "CNN curtain" by Max keiser can be found here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG2IkZP79o&index=195&list=PLPszygYHA9K2ZtV_1KphSugBB7iZqbFyz

Grieved said...

@Petri Krohn on 01 May, 2014 03:32

Your information is most heartening, and your analysis rings true, thank you!

SAKER: One thing I don't understand is where exactly is the Ukraine army? I keep hearing they're remaining neutral in all this - but how can this be and when do they choose to do something? I confess I don't grasp the conventional military situation in the country.

From the US, which I think I do understand, I believe the level of aggression will not go beyond the Jackal stage. The US has said it won't go to war, and Russia's troops forestall that escalation.

In the hierarchy of "Economic Hit Man" John Perkins, first the US sends the people in suits to arrange the IMF loans and establish the protocols of securing the dictator in place. If this fails they send in the jackals for regime change and terror. Only if this fails do they send in the military, and Russia on the border prevents this. They are stuck at level 2.

Now Petri Krohn tells us the populace of eastern Ukraine is maneuvering according to a military pattern, on the verge perhaps of becoming its own military.

What an inspiration these people and their unfolding events are for all of us trapped in empire and pondering freedom.

Brian_J said...

@Anonymous 30 Apr, 2014 21:08

Stream of Unconsciousness. Using state of the art biometric analysis in real time we have determined what John
Kerry was thinking in a rare moment of clarity after he regurgitated in preparation for his speech:

global leadership at stake stand together if if if no prize at all if only whereis allies to lose everything if my strength from the past and future is at stake i'm not moses refuse complacency not in the present gaddamit why do i bother hah! some patriot then I am confident with death in my eyes that Mazarin was good bettor than me in NATO whereas balanced view had had advanced policy i think about the rhine where is my blue dress that one you know with the stains I couldn't do it then if soon to join others i am serious sorry should i care about westphalia I heard about nasty peace i reveal germany stronger but the planet’s hopes foul beast which side am i on who never knew can reform what is at stake supranational civil war i am tired oh no i'm in the shower let it rampage I would sleep bit too many policies are unkind und wo ist civil society at the rule of love or right then i wish i had a period full stop oh no no telegraph message old school and even older oh no the prophet no more earnings for Kerry on the inside commitees I buy gold how many fishes and loaves have i am i trading while longtime been in love with easeful death beam me up I'm not young scottie next valley screw keats

The Creatures of the Mind have taken over (cf the salons that Proust and Swann attended and the partial collapse thence described of the social contract as to master and servant.)

Kerry is frightened and disoriented perhaps wondering if he is the ineffective poison. He's learned that diplomacy is not always fun even for alleged hegemons. Perhaps history will discover for the first time that advances in communications in this tiny world can sideline the the war parties which rely on false flag ops, outrageous nonsense &c.

Anderson said...

As if we are surprised - John 'Skull & Bones' Kerry is now attempting to shift the blame for the whole mess onto the EU.

Presuambly Skull & Bones has felt the need because Putin/Lavrov have called the US cabal of clowns out on instigating this current hegemonic fiasco.

See here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIvoq2oZZuU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Vitaliy Dovgiy said...

•US Secretary of State John Kerry: " Today Russia seeks to change the security landscape of Eastern and Central Europe, we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it."

Is Kerry paranoic or what? Especially with security landscape of Central Europe. Here is what NATO got to deter Russian aggressors:
http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/125/37125/Infographic_NATO_Russia_PDF.pdf

C Stegiel said...

The USA is happy to have a little war in the Ukraine. This is not a miscalculation but an intention. What do they have to lose so long as it is regional? In fact Brezenski and his ilk have war gamed this many times and they make the bet that Russia will not escalate beyond the region--even if the NATO alliance escalates. There is a big chance of war triggered by the West and one must one wonder what weapons the West wishes to use that make them so confident? For instance, Will The Pentagon's Secret Space Plane Ever Return to Earth?
www.thedailybeast.com/.../will-the-pentagon-s-secret-spa...‎
The Daily Beast
Apr 7, 2014 - The Air Force's secret space plane has been up in orbit for nearly 500 days—a space endurance record. But nearly a year and a half into the ...

Mohamed said...

Where-Wolf said on 01 May, 2014 04:26...
Everywhere I look I see signs of escalation and mobilization. Mohamad said he thought Obama and Putin were in cahoots. I agree with you that they are on opposite sides but it is possible that Obama himself does not know what side he is on. I believe he is completely out of the loop on decision making. At some point he may become more useful dead than alive."


The Empire is bankrupt and in massive debts. The Dubya and Co, milked the Empire to the judgment day. Therefore, I believe that there is a group of people in USA who realize to reverse the course, or there will be a massive thud while descending downhill at extreme speed.

To counter that what Dubya and Co did takes time and they have to thread very carefully. And, for sure they are scared.

Kerry recent remarks, that USA will protect every inch of NATO makes people happy that USA will protect every inch of Ukraine, but alas Ukraine is NOT NATO. Words are chosen very carefully.

One has to look at Middle East at every country, and see the total reversal of the policies. Benghazi was an eye opener.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Anonymous said...

The blatant support of US and EU for the coup d'etat was at first viewed as 'whiskey tango foxtrot' down here in Sevastopol and among our friends in the north. I then had to patiently explain to them that this was far from the first time that US, European countries or Russia has fomented a coup in their own interests. That being said, I firmly believe that all the current screaming and teeth gnashing is to a great extent the temper tantrum of a spoiled child who didn't get his, or in the case of Muddi Merkel her, way. I think in the end business will outweigh the political as far as sanctions are concerned, and I'll qualify that with as long as someone manages to stuff a sock in Swift Boat John's mouth for once.



The continuing drumbeat of War from the West, read mainly USA, is patently foolish. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of armies knows that to attack in to Ukraine from EU or the south coast around Odessa would be tactical and strategic suicide. Russia as sitting at the base of her supply lines, US and EU would be a the perilous end of theirs. The old saying 'amateurs talk tactics and strategy, professionals talk logistics' is still true.

Anderson said...

For those folk who may not fully appreciate the role of the diminishing US dollar in all this meddling and agitation around the world, there is a very good (and relatively brief) analysis with some excellent graphs here -

http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/the-dollar-under-siege

Mohamed said...

Obama is in cahoots with Putin, it is not that he loves Putin or Mother Russia. An Empire with less power is much better than no Empire at all.

USA needs an enemy to survive from the psychopaths in USA. Russia and Cold War 1 was an excellent enemy, even though USSR was corrupt and not up to the Empire.

After Cold War 1 the enemy was replaced as Muslims by Dubya and Co. However, Muslims being almost 1 Billion are everywhere even in USA, so the enemy was within USA too. They found out it cannot be contained, like USSR.

Now now we are back to Cold War 2.

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Anonymous said...

Something to add to the general boiling cauldron is the fact that the armed forces of Russia have improved a bit in the last few years, add to that the fact that there is a rather large number of men throughout Russia and East Ukraine that have recent military experience and know that they will fight anyone invading from the west, you have an untenable position for any armies invading from the west.

To see just how good some of this young and not so young veterans are and to understand their bravery and dedication one has simply to watch the video of the takeover of the Krim Rada in Simferopol back in late February. Once the West got over the shock of such swift reaction against Kiev in Krim and Sevastopol they started to scream that it was Russian Army units who did all the barricades and the Krim Rada deal. Right. They knew better but for propaganda reasons that is what they had to yell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6oTOSTOq1E


Too many of the casual observers look but don't see. Watch the vid twice. First time get an idea of what's going on, the second time take full notice of the equipment the men carry besides the weapons, and pay particular attention to their feet. Enough said.

Michael Collins said...

@Jonathan says ...

Warren is likely cosmetic. We'll have to see what happens. She may encourage a "draft" movement just to fence in the hardcore Democrats.. She's raising money for the Dem Senate Campaign Committee, which is like contributing to those candidates. She might have been the "best of the worst" but then I just found this:

"Senator Warren also added she is very happy that Secretary Kerry is heading to Kiev, she believes we'll get some more answers from his visit."
April 14

Ukraine is a litmus test. The neocon scam is so painfully obvious and dangerous, anyone endorsing it or any of the players is automatically ruled out of serious politics and into the only party in the US, The Money Party.

As it turns out, one of Warren's main fundraisers us a former key Hillary Clinton fundraiser. Oh well...

There is no left to speak of in the U.S.

вот так said...

Глава МВД Украины устроил пьяный дебош в аэропорту Франкфурта (Interior Minister made a drunken brawl at Frankfurt Airport)

http://lifenews.ru/news/132418

(Auto trans) "Appointed by the Verkhovna Rada Interior Minister Arsen Avakov not allowed on the plane, finding him drunk.

When Avakov appeared at the airport and tried to get on the plane, security airlines refused to pass it on landing. Airport staff explained their decision by saying that Interior Minister, appears on its face, is in a state of intoxication.

After this statement Avakov fuss and demanded to be missed because it is a very important person in another country. To place approached airport security. As a result of the conflict was settled without contributing information to police credentials.

Previously, Verkhovna Rada deputy from the Party of Regions (PR) Irina Gentle said that the Parliament registered a decree on the resignation of Arsen Avakov . According to her, the PR also demanded to dismiss the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs investigation into the assassination of the mayor of Kharkiv Gennady Kernes.

- Between Kernes and Avakov hostility exists and hope for an objective investigation into the Interior Ministry does not have - said Gentle.

With appropriate query MP appealed to the Prosecutor General of Ukraine "in order to investigate the assassination took place under the common control of the agency."

A recent hack of Avakov's email showed he was involved with setting up the killing that pravi sektor terrorist Muzychko. Is Avakov the local hit arranger for Israel-America in the Ukraine? It doesn't sound like he has much time left, himself.

вот так said...

Anonymous said...01 May, 2014 06:11

I don't know if you noticed, but in the initial footage, the outside view is of a different building than the inside view (I stopped watching once I noticed that).

Looks like BBC is again engaging in news fakery. Those sods need to be sacked and prosecuted. All of the BBC crew, there are no innocents working there any more.

Anonymous said...

Nikolayev (Mikolayiv) is one of the most Russian cities in Ukraine. Of has suffered greatly under Ukrainian regime of westernization, especially once they started interfering with shipbuilding industry in the city.

The city itself is one of the largest shipbuilders in the world. So yeah, they want very little to do with Baderovczi.

Source: lived there, have family there.

вот так said...

This is a Russian television docu on Russian special forces training and tactics. it's not live footage, but staged material using actors, it is interesting even though. It has English subtitles.

Introducing The Russian Ground Forces & Security Forces

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K6Rt3YpFC4

Anonymous said...

Dear Saker,

As you may have seen, Slavoj Žižek has a lengthy article on the Ukraine crisis up in the newest issue of the London Review of Books:

Barbarism with a Human Face
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n09/slavoj-zizek/barbarism-with-a-human-face

I'd be curious to hear your take on it.

Thanks again for this blog!

Where-Wolf said...

@Saker

I agree with everything you say.

It boggles my mind that the same people who have been dreaming of this for 200 years could be so close to doing it again.

kalithea said...

By the time I get through reading most of the comments; I have little time to comment, and the comments are getting more numerous and better and some; rather exceptional.

China needs to man up already! I mean for a country that's holding a big chunk of U.S. debt; its position is still pretty spineless and ambiguous considering all the U.S. bases and allies that surround it. I mean does China really want to see Nato expanding? How would China like it if Nato left its calling card at China's doorstep? All China needs to think is: it's going to happen to us...eventually. The BRICS should all be on the same page if there is any hope of loosening the Anglo/Zio Empire's grip.

The people of Eastern Ukraine are giving everyone trapped under Anglo/Zio tyranny a lesson in civil disobedience and courage. Americans, take note!: This is how you handle a coup and/or threat against your democratic expression; how you handle oligarch tyranny, or if you wish, bankster tyranny and an attempt to usurp your rights! I just can't stand it when the putschists refer to these brave people as terrorists. We all know who the real terrorists are.

As far as Putin's political rivals are concerned: It's Putin's time; he's the man for this job, so get out of the way. They're either too weak, too blind or too in bed with the Anglo/Zio Empire to govern Russia in the best interests of the Russian people and for the ultimate benefit of the rest of the world suffering under Anglo/Zio subversion and decadence.

It's anyone's guess what the Anglo/Zio cabal is up to and how far it'll go; but its insane ambition is now heading out of the stratosphere. Sometimes when it can't install or support a puppet dictator as Mubarak in Egypt or the Shah in Iran in the past, and the puppet candidates are weak or unable to coalesce like they coalesced in Libya to topple the enemy regime, then the Empire downgrades its goal to merely creating endless chaos and misery as in Syria with no clear imminent aim except to weaken the ally of a foe, in Syria's case, the foe being Iran, but also to weaken another foe's, i.e. Russia's, influence there.

Short of getting what it wants, Nato on Russia's doorstep, and its sensational collapse; the Empire is dreaming of endless civil war to bring Russia down gradually. Considering the downgraded Syria objective, to endless killing and misery: woe is Ukraine. But the Empire may have to lower its over-ambitious expectations and settle for mere economic misery, because it appears that many towns in Eastern Ukraine are succeeding with few shots fired in asserting their will against a very weak and confused interim putschist government. So how will Obama get from here to tricking Putin into full-fledged war? - I'm not sure Obama even knows what he wants anymore. He should heed this: be careful what you wish for!

Oh and to expand on the Empire's goals and achievements, sometimes the puppets turn on the Empire; like in Iraq and Afghanistan and sometimes the instigated Color Revolution starts viral in the Zio propaganda media and then disappoints and ends up fizzling out as the Green Revolution did in Iran.

This badly-contrived Orange Revolution was urged by the Empire to recklessly charge for the coup right over the cliff and maybe, like Crimea, straight into Putin's arms.

But possibly, the Anglo/Zio cabal will try to pull some desperate, crazy scheme before it leaves those who bought into the Empire illusion to their misery and wasteland.

Where-Wolf said...

@Petri Krohn

Your comment has really got my mind churning. There's some genius in this anaysis too. Between your references to Sloveinia and Saker's description of a worst case scenario I have a much better understanding of the dispositions and objectives of both sides.

Old auntie said...

Usually I side with traditional religious tendencies against modern puritanical ones, even in relation to religions I don’t belong to. So I am not a fan of evangelicals. But there are some evangelicals out there whose criticism of some other evangelical churches is as scathing as can be.
Here is some such guy:
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000433.htm
“The bizarre entanglement of not only the church in Ukraine, but also the American church with anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi forces that are inimical to the cause of Christ provides an unique and damning picture of the REAL nature of these faux (fake) churches -- churches tied to secular forces that think nothing of imposing their will on people through the use of a gun and mass murder; and all this despite the plain teaching of Jesus that . . .”
As the rest of his article makes clear: When he writes “the church in Ukraine” he means Ukrainian evangelical or pentecostal churches as described here:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/januaryweb-only/105-22.0.html
“Since the early 1990s, Ukraine has become not just the "Bible Belt" of the region, but a hub of evangelical church life (such as Sunday Adelaja's Pentecostal megachurch), education, and missions”.
Or here:
“The Protestant Festival of Hope, with the participation of evangelist Franklin Graham, was held on July 6–8, 2007, and gathered more than 40,000 Ukrainians at the Olympic National Stadium in Kiev. Guests of the festival were able to hear testimonies of faith by well-known athletes, evangelical activists, and civil leaders. There were musical groups of various genres from Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Moldova, and the United States.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Ukraine
Does anybody know more about this evangelical business and their political involvement in Ukraine?

Where-Wolf said...

Mohamed said...

I believe that there is a group of people in USA who realize to reverse the course, or there will be a massive thud while descending downhill at extreme speed.
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...they have to thread very carefully.


I agree I agree.

But they are opposed by another faction (hard neocons) who have everything to lose and would rather keep pushing forward.

My idea is that Obama is playing good cop to the necon bad cop. I do not believe the Obama faction is as resilient or united as the necons. This makes him an unreliable partner for Putin.

Obama is the cheese in the neocon mousetrap, even if his objectives are closer to Putin.

Veritas said...

Dear The Saker,

In addition to my post yesterday about the Russian Naval Attache being expelled, I also noted the following on RT:

12:20 GMT:

"The General Prosecutor’s Office of Ukraine has launched an investigation against the commanders of the Alpha special force after its troops disobeyed the government orders and refused to fire at protesters in the south-east of the country.

“The prosecutors have opened three cases against unit commanders, who under battle order refused to obey orders. All leadership of the Alpha special force is dismissed for failure to comply with the battle order,” Sergey Pashinsky, chief of staff of Ukraine’s coup-appointed president is cited by ITAR-TASS."

If they've now dismissed the Alpha force too - doesn't that mean they have no real militry/defence power/expertise except for far right thugs and mercenaries?

Rgds,


Veritas

Anonymous said...

Ιts not the 1% but the 20%-30% that benefits from globalization

Ilja Schmelzer said...

@Angelika, the Umland article is still there, http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2014-04/ukraine-wahlen-parlamentarisches-system
by the way it is "translated from English" and clearly written in line of the Nato propaganda.

The only good point of the article is that it proposes Nato-arguments why the elections as planned are nonsense. And some interesting info that Parubij has been able build up a strong power base at his national security position.

JAFO said...

Angelika said...

Only DIE ZEIT had an interesting article by Dr. Andreas Umland (1997-99 NATO Fellow at the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, Palo Alto, California. He lives in Kyiv, while teaching at the National University of "Kyiv-Mohyla Academy"
„Die Ukraine sollte die Wahl absagen“. It boils down to: "That implies that the forthcoming presidential election should be canceled and the Ukraine should became a parliamentary republic. This can happen through a consensus constitutional reform by a vote of 300 Members of Parliament. Second, this approach includes that the new occupants of the highest positions of government should reflect the regional, cultural and demographic composition of the Ukrainian population. Third, political polarization and amateurishness should be avoided by proper use of respected experts.” He is obviously afraid that: “In a possible runoff [Petro Poroshenko and Yulia Tymoshenko] a contest between the two would be meaningless, because their main political goals - a rapid Europeanization of Ukraine , followed by EU accession and simultaneous Atlantic integration – are the same . Many in the east and south of Ukraine would not vote at all in such a runoff election because they do not see their interests represented in either candidate." The article disappeared after three hours.


The article has not "disappeared". It is here:
http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2014-04/ukraine-wahlen-parlamentarisches-system

Anderson said...

@Anonymous said... 01 May, 2014 11:00

"Ιts not the 1% but the 20%-30% that benefits from globalization"

To a lesser degree that may be correct, but it is the 1% who derive the greatest benefit, which is at the expense of the remainder on a sliding scale in a zero-sum game.

The dumbed down masses have been fooled into believing the globalisation hyperbole.

The wealthy have become wealthier (countries and individuals) and the poorpoorer as a direct result of so-called globalisation.

See for example some current and very relevant interview commentary on the wealth gap issue by Michael Hudson commenting on Thomas Piketty’s just published book, 'Capital in the 21st Century'.

Transcript of the interview here - http://michael-hudson.com/2014/04/pikettys-wealth-gap-wake-up/

Whilst there are undoubtedly some benefits from globalisation, the true economic and societal costs are immeasurable at this time.

Anderson said...

US Payments to Ukrainian Thugs Higher Than Previously Reported.

See PCR here -

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/01/us-payments-ukrainian-thugs-higher-previously-reported/

Nora said...

I don't think I have witnessed or read a discussion of anything, anywhere, as excellent in every way as the contents of this thread since last I was here. Not sure I can add much, or even at the same level, but let me try:

Michael Collins

Yes re: Warren and The Money Party but what we've really got is a structural problem bc unless a candidate is willing to use his or her own money to vastly outspend The Money Party in every single election (IF the media will even accept his or her ads), they'll never even make it into office the first time. Meaning we'd need 537 plutocrats, plus God knows how many in each state -- and of course they'd have to not be tied into the existing plutocracy. (Yeah, right.) So yes, our system is a sham but it's a pretty impregnable sham.

And as for the left, it pretty much collapsed when Civil Rights for the South veered North into Open Housing, handing the Northern ethnics and southern damned-near-everyone right over to the Republicans. I lived through it, in both the North and the South, and thought I saw it all pretty clearly. Then I read Nixonland by Rick Perlstein and couldn't believe how much I'd missed. If you really want to understand how this all happened, read it. But you'll need a very strong stomach.

Old auntie,

There has been a long and very lucrative connection between Zionist money and far-right Protestant church movements. Christian Zionism enriches and empowers its pastors while all the hoodwinked followers literally (!) parade around Jerusalem once a year hoping this time they can get all the Jews there so they can bring about the Apocalypse. I'm probably a bit out of date but just Google John Hagee for starters.

Maedhros said...

@ Saker - Well, I don't think that Russia has any desire or need to do anything the Baltic states even if their regimes are basically racist. Over time, Russia will simply aquire the Baltics by economic means. As for the stupid Balts, let them see where having neo-Nazis in power lead the Ukraine.
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As a man living in Riga, married to a Latvian and with children born and raised in Latvia, I cannot but wholeheartedly agree about their stupidity when confronted with anything Russian. Not all of them though, maybe not even the majority.

In most cases, it's a sort of conditioned reflex, originating from the invasion, repression and occupation they did suffer by Russians (rectius: Soviets).

It's understandable, after all, also because now, fed as they are by bread and bullshits from media whores (the total occupation of media by chosen people looks like almost completed even here), they are not able to differentiate between Soviet Union and Russia today.

It's less understandable the specular stupidity and racist attitude in the local Russians population. Not all of them, of course, but maybe the majority, also unable to recognize and disavow the damned Soviet legacy (this is a problem also in Russia proper).

I would also differentiate between Baltic States. If Lithuania is by then indistinguishable from Poland and almost fully Empirized (no more mamma and papa there, but parent 1 and 2), already Estonia seems more sober after her foreign minister's full immersion in the reality in Kiev. Latvia even more so, apart from lip service to the official line.
The President Berzins attended Sochi inauguration, dismissing the homo-gang diktats with a few words: "I don't see any civil rights problem in Russia!".
The Premier did fire a minister in March for attending the commemoration of the Latvian SS Legion (and yet they were certainly no Banderites).

Furthermore, no comparison is ever possible between Ukraine and Baltic States.

http://houseofmaedhros.wordpress.com/2014/03/21/russian-idiots-in-riga/

In short, while I'd have welcomed Russian tanks in Kiev after the American coup there, I would not hesitate to beat the shit out of every Russian willing to create unrest here. FOR THEIR OWN SAKE!

If you want the long version, please go here:

http://houseofmaedhros.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/caro-amico-ti-scrivo/

I'm sorry I cannot provide you with an English version, but you said that you can read Italian.
(jump to IV chapter)

Anonymous said...

First of all, I must say that I really appreciate the work you are doing. It's excellent and I know nothing of the kind.

That said, I really, really wish you could avoid saying things like "their regimes are basically racist", "Russia will simply aquire the Baltics…", "As for the stupid Balts…".

These nations and states are too small to hurt anyone but themselves. It's impossible to deny that Soviet Union had some bad karma related to them.

The speech Colin Powell gave to UN was all too familiar for folks in the former USSR. And it's precisely this that's making me so desperate. The whole world is bent to turn into some giant USSR.

Please, don't hurt the weak while fighting the bigger evil. It is important.

Veritas said...

Dear The Saker,

Just seen this on Itarr-tass:

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/730171

Donetsk region to hold referendum on joining Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. A similar plebiscite will take place in Luhansk region.

Thought this might interest you in regard to your comments in regard to the regions who would join up.

Rgds,

Veritas

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

@Maedhros: It's less understandable the specular stupidity and racist attitude in the local Russians population. Not all of them, of course, but maybe the majority, also unable to recognize and disavow the damned Soviet legacy (this is a problem also in Russia proper)

Well, considering the role of Latvians in the Revolution, then the way they treated Russians between 1917 and 1940, then how as soon as they got their independence back in 1991 they returned to slogans like "Riga must be clean and Latvian" (an oh so subtle hint at "not Russian"), how they created a status of non-citizen for about 40% of the population and are total NATO puppets I don't see why Russians should have anything but disgust for these nationalists. I *DO* however agree that the endorsement by many Russians of the Soviet period is both morally wrong, historically misguided and politically self-defeating. Here you got my full agreement.

In your article you write:Ukraine as we know it today is only the outcome of the Soviet mess. It has never existed before as a State and was created only as a Soviet republic.

What about Latvia? When did it ever exist before as a State?

Maybe this is why Latvia is first and foremost a bad joke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OnJxEDXGNc

I have far more respect for the Chechens than for the Balts who inspire me nothing but a sense of disgust. And that has nothing to do with any racism, but a history of petty, nasty and outright russophobic policies.

But again, Russia will not invade the Baltics. It will purchase them.

Cheers,

The Saker

Nora said...

Saker, anonymous 07:46 really wanted your take on the slavoj zizek article in LRB. Me, too. I (think I) know enough to discount it as propaganda, but I'm really not comfortable reciting the facts, especially as regards Lenin, Ukraine and the Whites.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n09/slavoj-zizek/barbarism-with-a-human-face

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

@Anonymous:That said, I really, really wish you could avoid saying things like "their regimes are basically racist", "Russia will simply aquire the Baltics…", "As for the stupid Balts…". These nations and states are too small to hurt anyone but themselves. It's impossible to deny that Soviet Union had some bad karma related to them.(...) Please, don't hurt the weak while fighting the bigger evil. It is important.

Ok, this is an argument I am VERY sensitive to. Here is why - I do not favor the big and powerful, I almost instinctively prefer the underdog. But my beef with the Balts is not that they are small, but that they are ugly. The fact is that the local Russian population supported the independence of the Baltic states, lured as they were by promises of democracy, fraternity and human rights. We, the Russians refugees in the West, knew better of course (my great-grandfather was governor of Courland and my wife's family is from Riga) and we remembered how the newly freed Latvians immediately turned in the Russians inside Latvia (made them non-citizens, passed Ukie-like language laws, etc.) and outside Latvia (joining NATO). We also remembered the crucial key role of the Latvians in the revolution, in protecting Lenin and his terrorist ChK. Next to Jews, the Latvians were the most crucial folks in the early Bolshevik regime. So let me ask you this: in those moments in history when Russians were on the *weak* side, how did the Latvians treat them? How did they even treat their own fellow Latvians how did not share in their russophobic ideology?

I remember having lunch with Viktor Alksnis in Moscow in 1991 and while I disagreed with a lot of his political views, I have to admit that he very accurately predicted what kind of regime the newly independent Latvian state would turn into.

Please understand - I am not in any way anti-Balt, I wish these people all the best, I am sorry that the Western "experts" (IMF, EU & Co.) pillaged these countries and have basically ruined them and I do not wish any form of tensions, nevermind hostility, between Russia and the Baltic states. But for that there is a basic prerequisite: the Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians need to a) accept that Russia is their neighbor b) stop playing eternal victim and take petty revenge on the local Russian population and c) make at least some kind of effort to try to have a friendly relationship with Russia.

Instead, we all known that the Maidanites were trained in Latvia (and Poland), that NATO has its intelligence stations in Latvia, the truth about the 1991 shooting has never been researched, the Russians are still non-citizens, the Latvian regime is rabidly russophobic and pro-NATO, etc. etc. etc.

Well, if that is how they want it - fine. But I know the outcome. Russia will simply purchase these republics. And when that happens, I won't shed a single tear over it because they had this coming.

I hope that you can understand this point of view.

Kind regards,

The Saker

Anonymous said...

Michael said...
Slightly off topic, but I wonder did our Serbian poster know that Serbs from the Krajina were invited to settle in the southern and central areas of what we now call Ukraine in the 17th century. Their lands were called New Serbia and they were the first Cossacks. The name Ukraine looks to me like "u Krajina" Lugansk was a Serbian settlement.
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Yes, I know Michael! Slavyansk is also a Serbian settlement.

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Where-Wolf said...
Anonymous said...



The statements made by the President of Republika Srpska -- in Newsweek demonstrate that he is acting under the direction of NATO.

Don't get fooled again my friends.
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No, he is not acting under the direction of NATO! He explicitly said in that interview that Bosnian Serbs DO NOT have support from Western powers to secede from Bosnia. The only support so far is coming from Russia.

We are not "fooled". The West has taken Kosovo from us, so we have all the rights to demand our half of Bosnia to join with Serbia.

And, btw, there is a progress on Montenegro issue. Russia is now putting a lot of pressure on Montenegro president and government because of their anti-Russia stance. That will have consequence in Montenegro, because more then 70% of public in Montenegro is AGAINST membership in NATO. Montenegro has been historically even more pro-Russian then Serbia, and still today most of Montenegrins are pro-Russian.

Russia should push hard on this issue, they can get a regime change in Montenegro if they try hard.

Marc Schouten said...

Dear Saker,
What can you tell me about this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf1dAQq-2qQ#t=35

Accoording to what I understand does the EU owe Ukraine 160 bil. USD due to an agreement of 1994.

Anonymous said...

Well, if that is how they want it - fine. But I know the outcome. Russia will simply purchase these republics. And when that happens, I won't shed a single tear over it because they had this coming.

I hope that you can understand this point of view.
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I understand very well
Saker you have explained it very well.
Cheers from South Africa

Nora said...

13:30 GMT "The Ukrainian border patrol say they have detained a 22-year-old Russian citizen in Lugansk, who they believe was going to take part in events aimed at destabilizing the situation in the region. He was allegedly in possession of anti-Ukrainian leaflets. The young man is member of the neo-Nazi “Slavyane” movement. He will now be denied entry to Ukraine for three years."

Wait, what? A neo-Nazi Russian sounds like a very confused young man, a useful dupe and/or a poor slob caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. But to whom is this announcement aimed?

вот так said...

Greenpeace once again show they have become another political propaganda tool of Israeli-American fascism, rather than a proponent of ecological defense.

Dutch police arrest Greenpeace activists for trying to block Russian tanker

http://rt.com/news/156152-greenpeace-russia-oil-protest/

"Greenpeace has been campaigning against the dangers of drilling for oil in the Arctic, with the organization’s executive director, Kumi Naidoo, saying, “Arctic oil represents a dangerous new form of dependence on Russia's state-owned energy giants at the very moment when we should be breaking free of their influence.”

-123abc- said...

A reply to the person who posted this:

Barbarism with a Human Face
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n09/slavoj-zizek/barbarism-with-a-human-face


Sometimes Zizek misses the forest for the trees. He isn't much of a geopolitician, instead he is primarily a psychoanalyst and philosopher, that's the lens through which he sees everything - and of course if geopolitics is the primary factor in a crisis then he can't help but hopelessly misinterpret it. Zizek imagines that the Maidan protestors had some kind of special wisdom that dragged them to the square, while the reality of the movement was embarassingly trivial if not vulgar.

Zizek is fully invested against Putin. Recall the embarrasing PR stunt with the letter exchange with Tolokonnikova when she was in prison. Zizek still thinks that Obama is a good guy who can't get anything done because of the dark forces prevent him. He is essentially pro EU, of course he is a communist, and he is dreaming of transforming the EU into some sort of communist union.

Zizek claims that Ukrainians are aware of the reality of EU, I very much doubt this. The EU-Ukr talk was only about an unfair association agreement that was against Ukraine's economic interests, the joining of Ukraine into the EU was even at the best stage of the talks a very far away future possibility, so that's why the entire EU-Ukr connection in his text is misplaced. Zizek also completely ignores the US role in the Ukraine crisis.

Don't get me wrong, Zizek is a great and entertaining philosopher and I often listen to his talks in the background when I do my work, I also fundamentally agree with his project of building a contemporary kind of communism, but when it gets into the nitty gritty of geopolitics and economics he seems lost a lot of the time.


-123abc-

Anonymous said...

Man, this thread is gettin' long! Oh, well. I thought I'd inject this concept into the comment fire we're all sitting around, some smoking cigs and others throwing a few cool ones back and tossing a log or two on, because it looks like it's going to be an all-nighter.

This is a "what if" scenario. For years, I've batted around the idea that the U.S. finally goes one step beyond its reach and is totally defeated militarily--checkmate. Now most Americans will never be able to get their head around that for all the obvious, and decades long, brainwashing messages from every corner. No need to mention more on that.

So let's say, for argument's sake, that the worst case scenario happens--a nuke is detonated a couple of hundred miles above the middle of the U.S., causing a massive EMP wave to wipe out all things electrical. Instant return to the 19th century. But wait! What if this hasn't happened to Russia and China? What if they are now poised to invade and occupy the totally vulnerable U.S.? Is this an impossibility? Well, Sci Fi writer Phillip K. Dick, author of such blockbuster movies as "Minority Report" did conceive such an outcome, post WWII. His book is titled: "The Man in the High Castle." (I've read it.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle

Looking at the original book cover shown here, if you replace the Japanese flag with a Chinese one, and the Nazi flag with a Russian one, this begins to get interesting. Suddenly the impossible gets a crack it its foundation.

Anthony Peake has written a book on P.K. Dick titled: A Life of Phillip K. Dick:The Man Who Remembered the Future. What Peake means is that the evidence shows through examining Dick's futuristic writing, that he has predicted very accurately our future, decades in advance. You can hear for free one hour of a two hour interview with Peake on Red Ice Radio here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/12/RIR-131218.php

When Genghis Khan and his army rode up to the Great Wall of China, the citizens of Beijing falsely thought they were impervious to these barbarians, just like Americans think they are. China had their wall, and the U.S. has its ocean walls. Magical thinking knows no borders or ages. Well, the Great Khan simply rode north until he found the end of the wall, went around it, and sacked Beijing-killing every living creature, animals included.

As the latest Crosstalk interview mentions, Americans have this well-known attitude of exceptionalism. This kind of magical thinking totally ignores basic history. This is like thinking that only the other guy is going to get hit with the arrow, not me.

Anyhow, just thinkin' here. Just thinkin'.

вот так said...

Kiev forces plan to storm federalist buildings in Southeastern Ukraine on May 2

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_01/Kiev-forces-plan-to-storm-federalist-buildings-in-Southeastern-Ukraine-on-May-2-7982/

"The special operation in the region, formerly led by acting Interior Minister Arseny Avakov, will be now headed by acting Security Service chief Valentin Nalivaychenko, the source said.

"The [acting] interior minister has been suspended from controlling the operation by a decision of [interim president Alexander] Turchynov," the source told RIA Novosti, adding that the decision has been made amid the failure of the first stage of the operation.

The source said Nalivaychenko has organized the training of Right Sector special battalions by the security service instructors after talks with the leader of the far-right group, Dmitro Yarosh, who is charged in Russia with inciting terrorism.

The storming will take place particularly in the eastern Ukraine's Lugansk region, the source said adding that the security chief has been tasked with regaining control of the region by May 3 at any cost.

"For this aim, the SBU chief has now received all the necessary powers," the source said, adding that Turchynov is discussing the possibility of the military operation with Yarosh."

Looks like Avakov has been forced out by the pravi sektor bum bandits and they are making no secret that the attacker are a pravi sektor force.

-123abc- said...

The German press is losing it. I've been living in Germany for more than 20 years and I've never seen this kind of insanity.

Here's an article which accuses Putin of being a fascist, and of course by way of implication also his voters. This is from Germany's biggest internet news magazine. And the author says this not in passing, not as a slip of tongue, it's an entire article that in all seriousness calls Putin fascist.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/putins-russland-ideologie-vom-ueberlegenen-volk-von-jan-fleischhauer-a-967115.html


Here is another bit of insanity. There is a soviet tank near the Brandenburg Gate to remind of Germany's liberation from Hitler. And now there is a petition to remove this tank.

http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/petitionen/weg-mit-den-russen-panzern-35578436.bild.html


-123abc-

Nora said...

Vladimir Sedow has written an excellent piece with lots of details placing the Ukrainian putsch well within the context of Germany's aspirations and efforts to chart her own, not-necessarily-Atlanticist course. Was Yanukovich set up? People have certainly hypothesized it before and the timing of Maidan, both the peaceful part and the putsch, certainly is suspect when you consider this:

"Let us recall that in October 2013 Germany's Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik and the German Marshall Fund of the United States presented a joint report titled «New Power, New Responsibility: Elements of a German Foreign and Security Policy for a Changing World».

In January 2014 German President Joachim Gauck elaborated on the main points of this document in a speech at the Munich Security Conference. "

The details are fascinating. (How dare any of our dependencies think, much less act, for themselves!) So, of course, NATO v.2.0, keeping Russia out, the US in and Germany down -- except, to mix and muddle hackneyed phrases a bit, this time it's both a tragedy and a farce.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/05/01/on-contradictions-between-washington-and-berlin-ukraine.html

Colinjames said...

Saker, I'd be honored, re:
Schadenfreude and seasons. Inspired by the lovely weather here in the Pacific Northwest the last few days, after the always-dreadful winters here (for me anyways, a sun-loving former (and future) resident of Kauai and coastal southern California, where I grew up.

Aloha nui loa

Colinjames said...

Almost forgot- excellent pocast, James Corbett with David L. Smith, of The Geneva Insider, finally (its been months since they've talked), a very balanced, economic-based discussion on Ukraine, the EU, and of course the absolute insanity that is the economic state of affairs as presented to the public in general. 30-odd minutes.

http://www.corbettreport.com/fk-the-eu-the-eu-is-fked-the-geneva-business-insider/

Rowan Berkeley said...

You'll like this, if you haven't seen it, although you probably have. Things get notified repeatedly on here and on Moon of Alabama, because people don't realise they've already been notified, sometimes on another thread.

Interview with GRU officer and People’s Militia Commander Igor Strelkov
Komsomolskaya Pravda, Apr 26 2014 (Russian)
Storify, Apr 26 2014 (English)
This is a same-day translation. It’s so excellent to find these carefully translated briefings from inside the anti-nazi movement in Ukraine. Russian speakers are taking great trouble to bring them to us.

Maedhros said...

@ Saker

Well, in the long version you can find a much more detailed list of Latvians' wrongdoings and the idiocy of embracing the occupation by atheist consumerism to escape that of atheist communism.
But as I am not Latvian nor Russian, I'm able to detect also specular idiocy or idiocy in response, so that I have now the privilege to be disliked by both here (the few who have read it), Latvians and Russians finally united.

Just a few points:
1) I guess Russians were treated better by Latvians in 1917-1940 period than by Russians.

2) Apart from a totally different historical path until the end of XVIII century, in respect to Russia, Latvia was an independent State in 1940 with international recognized borders.

3) I live here today and I think I know a little better than the offspring of the former Courland governor.
Citizenship is not so hard to get here, provided that you want it. You need just to speak a little Latvian and know a few historical bullshits.
Also the newborn can get it if both parents ask for that. Now they are going to give it also if just one parent asks for it. Evidently a lot of parents did not want it for their sons.
In fact, non-citizens are now less than 10% of population and remain in that state of their own will. Probably also because the only minus is that you can't vote and most people don't give a damn about that anyway. For the rest, there is no difference whatsoever (it's my personal status, so I speak what I know).
In fact, the russophile party is the first party by votes here and Riga has a Russian as Mayor (the best Riga ever had, in my decennial experience).

4) Maidanites trained in Latvia has to be the best kept secret here, because it's the first time I hear of this. Maybe you are confusing with Lithuania.

5) I'll try to make me feel disgust for Russian as a whole every time Zhirinovsky and other gentlemen of the same kind will open their mouth (even Dugin has said similar things in the past, just in a more refined way), but don't hold your breath: I'll not succeed!

6) Some Latvians could say you that Russia will not invade Latvia because Latvia is in Nato and be glad for that. Frankly, I could not blame them for thinking so, after the tone of your remarks.

7) You can purchase regime, not people. And if you think that people can be purchased, well, tell me the difference between the Empires because it's fading away to my understanding.

8) "Russia without the Faith, without the truth in Christ, is copulation and cruelty."

Russians should never forget the last point!

JOE HUEGLIN,F.P. said...

To: National Media
Subject: Russian-speaking Ukrainians: Federalists rather than "separatists" or "terrorists".

“We are looking to neutrally observe what we see; to characterize the situation on the ground as honestly as we can.” the words of Lt. Col. Gary Hardwick, Canadian Leader of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s observer mission to the Ukraine. Words demanding recognition of the reality in the Ukraine.

The provinces (oblasts) the mission will visit because local populations have taken over the reins of government are overwhelmingly populated by Russian speaking Ukrainians. Only in 10 August 2012 were cities and regions of Ukraine able to declare Russian as a regional language in their jurisdictions. After the current Ukrainian Government came to power on February 22nd this year, "On 23 February 2014, a bill repealing the law was approved by 232 deputies out of 450.[25] but not signed into law by acting-president Aleksandr Turchinov.[26] "

Ukrainian is at present the only national language. Federalism, as practiced in Canada, is the aspiration of the Ukraine's Russian-speaking citizens
rather than the current Unitary state. For this, however, they are being termed "pro-Russian", "separatists and "terrorists".

Ukraine’s acting president admitted his country’s security forces were “helpless” to stop the gunmen.. This is so because very often when"Pro-federalization activists take over govt buildings across Eastern Ukraine", "Berkut forces side with protesters as pro-federalization activists take over govt buildings across Eastern Ukraine".

The response? "Ukraine’s Interim Leader Orders Creation of Regional Defense Battalions" - battalions including "Right Sector radicals (who) are suppressing pro-federalization protesters in eastern Ukrainian regions."

It is to be hoped Lt. Col. Gary Hardwick has been apprised that those they will be observing seek the governance of Ukraine to be that which we have in Canada, and approach them as the Federalists they are, rather than as what others would portray them as being.

Unfortunately as they are being portrayed by the Harper Government/

Joe Hueglin
Tel 905-356-3901

rob said...

Its all going to end in tears you know.I think Russia will move in pretty soon.

Tom Garrett said...

to Nora: A lot has appeared on this site since I last scanned it! In any case,Nora, I've noticed what a nice person you are and apologize for the delay in responding to you.

Ambrose Bierce (The Devil's Dictionary), the first and best of a genre of post civil war satirists, said that "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." We've had a lot of lessons, haven't we, since Bierce, old and tubercular,disappeared covering the Mexican civil war.
In my case, though training as a geographer has given me something of a head start, I realize, pouring over remote sensing images with each new conflict, how very much I didn't (and never will) know. As for on the ground observation: while I spent over a decade(till 2010) supervising a project in Poland (and to a lesser extent Romania) against the invasion of foreign agribusiness, my only on the ground look at the Ukraine was of the western areas Pilsudski wrested from the Bolsheviks and the Carpathian region bordering Romania.Never the East.

That said, though, as a boy I was overwhelmed by Russian literature, most particularly "And Quiet Flows the Don" and "The Don Flows Home to the Sea". As a young soldier I read and re-read Hienz Guderian's memoirs and whatever else was available on Stalingrad and the terrible battles preceding and following it, including the so called 'Miracle of The Donetsz'.

As for today: My sense was, and is, that the Russians had an opportunity--now gone-- to detach the eastern oblasts with minimal bloodshed, with cell phone conversation between unit commanders largely replacing violence. Something like "Georgi? Andre here. Yes, thank you, I'm well. But you must listen to me. We're here! Invasion? No Georgi. Please don't say that.That's not what it is. We're in this together. You don't want your boys hurt, I don't want mine hurt. Here's what we must do! Yes Georgi, I have the authority. Now listen please."

Maybe the notion of largely bloodless transfer of power to local garrisons, with local activists acting as connective tissues, is fanciful. But one thing is certain. If there is to be a war, it is far, far better it be a brief one.What the people in the East, who have, whatever their woes, been free of structured authoritarianism,are in for--poor Odessa--is the kind of 'democracy' that follows American interference: death squads, night raids, disappearances, kangaroo courts.And never believe that the vectors of such tactics are not, day by day, seeping in.

I had more to say, but the weather's cleared and must go to the mountains. But on a cheerful note: even in war (and real war has yet to arrive out there)amusing things happen, like the time mice defeated a German armored division. The division's tanks had been hidden in haystacks during the winter. Ordered to the front, it sputtered to a halt. Hoards of mice, living in the hay, had chewed the insulation off the all the wires! Hurray for mice.

Tom




Anonymous said...

what do you think of this clause in the IMF's l7 billion loan to ukraine?

IF UKRAINE GOVERNMENT LOSES EFFECTIVE CONTROL OVER EAST OF COUNTRY, $17 BLN IMF BAILOUT WOULD NEED TO BE REDESIGNED

Are they encouraging an increased crackdown by the kiev regime? if so how will russia likely respond to such an operation

Grunt said...

@anonymous who fantasizes about invading festung Americana
You said-
"When Genghis Khan and his army rode up to the Great Wall of China, the citizens of Beijing falsely thought they were impervious to these barbarians, just like Americans think they are. China had their wall, and the U.S. has its ocean walls. Magical thinking knows no borders or ages. Well, the Great Khan simply rode north until he found the end of the wall, went around it, and sacked Beijing-killing every living creature, animals included."

It isn't just our oceans that make us impervious to foreign invasion and occupation. You forgot the nearly 150 million armed and violently patriotic Americans who will turn every brick and blade of grass into a death trap for your armored and infantry divisions. Or perhaps you plan on shipping twice as many infantry and tanks past the U.S navy, because that's the bare minimum required? There's a reason the very thought sends shudders down the spines of our foes, but you're welcome to try it anytime tough guy, I'm dying of boredom with all these empty threats.

Anonymous said...

saker -nato now openly declares Russia as enemy-may be nato has got bolder after making sure that russia will always be pussyfotting around and talking of our partners!
Cowardly NATO only ever goes against countries severely weakened by many years of economic sanctions.that is why russia msut declare those sanctions as act of war.
in case of actual war Cowardly NATO only ever goes against countries severely weakened by many years of economic sanctions.

Perhaps Russia should do a massive pre emptive nuclear strike on england the epicentre of anglos evil empire. even suggestion of this will be This may be the only way to stop the nato aggression. Russia cannot stand alone against nato dominance using conventional forces.

Where-Wolf said...

Anonymous said...

No, he (President of Republika Srpska) is not acting under the direction of NATO!

You are right. NATO/the West are not on the Serb side.

NATO is stirring the pot. They would be happy to start another war and finish off R. Srpska.

Newsweek is playing games and helping to set a trap. NATO would love to beat the crap out of the Serbs to feel better about their losses against Russia.

Anonymous said...

@123abc

Wasn't Zizek the leading intellectual of the 'left'? Strange transformation.. Nazi heroes? The totalistic traits of the liberal ideology are so repulsive.. nothing can't hide them, not even flashy 'communistic' dress.

And to blame your own misdeeds to someone else /Russia - fascistic?!/, now this is pervert. It has very Gobelescue taste, Orwell would cry if he was able to witness this.

But there is a catch in the whole story, some things do not work as before. Sorry, my not dear at all PR, media propaganda fagots.

bluelight said...

Petri Krohn said...
There seems to be some kind of military genius at work in the Donbass People's Militia – maybe totally unintentionally. The resistance is now building an iron ring from Mariupol to Donetsk, to Slovyansk, to Lugansk, effectively encircling all of Kyiv's troops and armor in the east



I always thought this was Russia's end game. Any breakup of Eastern Ukraine will immdeiately put Western Ukraine's NATO membership on the table - wheather it happen or not. The East gradually build its military muscle - learning better tactics, absorbing trained soldiers and equipment from Ukrainain army - and will become a force that can not only defend their homestead but eventually march to Kiev and kick out the junta...

Where-Wolf said...

-123abc- said...

Zizek is a great and entertaining philosopher and I often listen to his talks in the background when I do my work, I also fundamentally agree with his project of building a contemporary kind of communism...

Entertaing yes. Also property of George Soros and a neo-Khazarian con man.

Go back to the Ancient Greeks. It's all there without the slant.

Philosophy has been entirely co-opted -- begining especially after the partition of Poland.

Where-Wolf said...

Grunt said...

It isn't just our oceans that make us impervious to foreign invasion and occupation. You forgot the nearly 150 million armed and violently patriotic Americans who will turn every brick and blade of grass into a death trap for your armored and infantry divisions.

Impervious to foreign invasion except for Mexicans and the gangsters controlling your government.



Nora said...

Tom Garrett,

Thank you. ;~) I'm also a great lover of Ambrose Bierce and although I've not yet read it, I've a family member who raves about "And Quiet Flows the Don". Your compliment feels especially good right now since I managed to get another compression fracture the other day and I've been cranky and out of sorts bc I can't get on top of the pain like I used to. (probably TMI, I'll survive, but grrrrrr!) Your work sounds fascinating -- but is it really possible to stave off foreign agribusiness? Bless you for trying!!!

As far as what's going on right now, you've probably already read the RT reports, http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/ that Pravy Sektor in Dnepropetrovsk has ordered a complete mobilization, whatever that is, while Turchinov has ordered a draft of all male Ukrainians ages 18-25. So I think whatever is going to happen will happen pretty soon though I worry more about mercenaries than any of those guys.

This Igor Strelkov guy, https://storify.com/ystriya/interview-with-gru-officer-igor-strelkov whose real name is Girkin, apparently came from Crimea and seems to be running the (military) show, sounds pretty interesting but I'm WAY out of my element judging any of this! I was musing yesterday that if I were going to create a putsch anyplace there were any people with positive feelings for Russia, I think I'd do it a month or so AFTER Labor Day, but we'll see what difference nostalgia makes as opposed to just plain-old repression.

Putin's been in a bind but I kind of expect him to do whatever he does... unexpectedly; he's certainly got our lovely crew by a good 50 I.Q. points at least. Enjoy your time in the mountains, and I LUV that story about the mice!

Where-Wolf said...

@Colinjames

I have a lot of respect for James Corbett, the hardest working journalist in alternative news but he's a techno-utopian with a striking blind spot for all things Khazar.

He's also vaguely Russophobic although I'm sure he'd bristle at the suggestion.

Feng Chsang said...

Obama with his back against the wall, lacking any form of empathy anymore, will force the fascists to act in such an abhorrent way that Rusland have to invade Ukraine.
An reaction that the politicians & the Main Stream Media will succesfully exploit as the stick to wield World Opinion in their direction, followed by a physical confrontation with tactical nuclear weapons of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Maedhros said...

@ Grunt

While I agree that there are less painful way to suicide than invading the US, I am afraid that those 150 millions of violently patriotic Americans should finally consider the possibility that their enemy is already inside the gates.

After all, no matter how hard I try, I'm not able to see any other recipient for the two billions (forbidden) ammunitions bought by the DHS than those armed and violently patriotic people.

They seems to be already training. Every week your police kills a couple of people for futile motive.

Anonymous said...

Grunt said: "It isn't just our oceans that make us impervious to foreign invasion and occupation. You forgot the nearly 150 million armed and violently patriotic Americans who will turn every brick and blade of grass into a death trap for your armored and infantry divisions. Or perhaps you plan on shipping twice as many infantry and tanks past the U.S navy, because that's the bare minimum required? There's a reason the very thought sends shudders down the spines of our foes, but you're welcome to try it anytime tough guy, I'm dying of boredom with all these empty threats."

You joke. Most US patriots I know wouldn't think twice about joining a Russian invading force to take out the homophile, feminist, gun-controlling, Jew-run enterprise warring on everything American Christians value.

American patriots may not be very educated or well-placed, but most realized that the real enemy is in Washington, not Moscow.

Even Pat Buchanan says that God is on Putin's side.

Anonymous said...

@ Joe Hueglin
«It is to be hoped Lt. Col. Gary Hardwick has been apprised that those they will be observing seek the governance of Ukraine to be that which we have in Canada, and approach them as the Federalists they are, rather than as what others would portray them as being.»
Just to set the record straight, Canadian federalism has been designed in a way to negate a true federalism which would encompass two or three historical-human entities : The «Canayiens» (the founders), Loyalists (who left the 13 colonies, refusing the independance of the US) and the Native people. If Ukranian fereralism was ever designed the Canadian way, there would be some 11 provinces representing
Western Ukraine and one to represent the Russophones in the central government. In Canada, federalism has been a way for the anglos to negate the self -determination rights of Quebec people - and BTW, as of today, Quebec never signed the imposed constitution and therefore is not part of it. In other words, Federalism can be fraudulent by virtue of its very structure. Russian federalism appears to me reflecting the national/ethnic diversities of Russia much more than its Canadian counterpart. I would absolutely refrain to cite the Canadian federalism as a model for Ukraine.

123abc said...

@Anonymous 20:02
"Wasn't Zizek the leading intellectual of the 'left'? Strange transformation"

Yes, he is considered to be a leading figure of the "left", but I think he was always like that, no transformation.

My suspicion is that Zizek is simply not all that well informed. He is all over the place, all academic disciplines, all parts of the globe, all times of history. Tbh I don't expect someone who is so much all over the place to give a precise analysis of a situation, an entertaining account yes, but not a very precise one.

And the other reason that might excuse him is that Putin is certainly not a leftist leader and Russia is simply not a leftist country. My sense is that Russia is conservative and maybe nationalist, but that doesn't mean right-wing, and my sense is that Russia is in essence anti-capitalist, but that doesn't mean that it wants to be communist. Obviously in this kind of configuration there is a lot of room for misinterpretation and misunderstanding. I think this may be part of the reason why people find Russia so hard to understand, and why they project so much stuff into Russia -- there is something for everyone to pick out and like or dislike.



@Where-Wolf
Interesting comment. Can you give a link or further reason of why you think that Zizek is property of George Soros and why he is a neo-Khazarian con man, and what you mean with partition of Poland and philosophy?

Anonymous said...


Saker, is this real?

PROOF: Hacked U.S. State Dept. E-mail Shows U.S. Ordering Terrorist Attacks in Ukraine to "frame-up" Russia and provide excuse for War!

http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/357-confidential

Anonymous said...

written long time ago in 2011-
How medvedev and lavrov single handedly resurrected almost defucnt Nato.

" However, Russia cannot be blameless in the imperialistic destruction of Libya. Medvedev is still part of Russia’s power elite but his role in Libya’s destruction means he can do great harm to his own country. He almost everyday he calls for the privatization Russia’s resources! So what is the difference between the privatization of Libya and Medvedev’s daily call for total privatization of Russia’s key resources? Libya will come back to haunt Russia’s foreign policy as long as Medvedev is part of the ruling power inside Russia. He and is inner circles of lavrov helped the West destroy Libya."

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

Maedhros, when the USA, the Real Evil Empire of Eternal Exceptionalism, collapses, and the heavily armed populace, indoctrinated and brainwashed for years in the belief that they are a Herrenvolk destined to rule the world, forever, turn on one another, and the heavily militarized police begin suppressing the outbreaks amongst the burgeoning underclass, the result won't be pretty. Collapse in the USA will turn Hobbesian, quickly, a war of all against all, because Yankee pathopsychology dictates a violent response to all opposition. The many good and peaceful US citizens will be in trouble, but the rest of the world will breath a sigh or relief, unless, of course, a violently fascist group seizes control (the 'Grunts')and begins an even more aggressive campaign to subjugate humanity in the name of 'Manifest Destiny'.

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

123abc, Slavoj Zizek, in my opinion, is a charlatan. His utterances are self-contradictory and ideologically and philosophically incoherent. He is a con-man, and he recently attacked Chomsky, who tried to ignore him for a while, then eviscerated him. Whether he is on the payroll of the Atlanticist global supremacists, or just a narcissistic blowhard and exhibitionist, is a matter of total indifference to me. But attacking Putin when the Atlanticist Empire is so clearly and recklessly in the wrong, is a very bad sign for his reputation and future marketability.

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

123abc, Slavoj Zizek, in my opinion, is a charlatan. His utterances are self-contradictory and ideologically and philosophically incoherent. He is a con-man, and he recently attacked Chomsky, who tried to ignore him for a while, then eviscerated him. Whether he is on the payroll of the Atlanticist global supremacists, or just a narcissistic blowhard and exhibitionist, is a matter of total indifference to me. But attacking Putin when the Atlanticist Empire is so clearly and recklessly in the wrong, is a very bad sign for his reputation and future marketability.

Grunt said...

@ where-Wolf and Maedhros
I wouldn't worry about the Mexicans, they cross barren wastelands under threat of death just to partake in the dream that is America. They come just like they have been since America's inception, they work hard and assimilate. Some of our citizens feel threatened at times for competitive reasons, which is only natural, while others feign fright just to score political points or gain a financial advantage. Like I said, they haven't been a threat and I doubt that'll ever change. Besides, with a population of 113million vs 310million Americans, they have more to fear from us than we'll ever have from them. As far as the gangsters controlling our government, they are no less American than the average gang banger or neighborhood mafioso- that is to say they only differ by degrees, the principle remains the same. We've had them too since the beginning and have grown exponentially beyond our humble beginnings despite them.
The DHS ammo stock piling and hardening police state are only an evolutionary adaptation to changing times, a natural outgrowth to guard the nation's interests against well intentioned but misinformed citizens who might become useful tools of our enemies. I can discern at least 2 purposes besides preserving the state, and I'm no Brzerzinski- it causes the more militant elements in our country to arm up even more, but the arms they acquire are not a credible threat to the state as they're only useful in guerrilla style defense against external invaders. As a result the American government in one stroke builds a formidable self sustaining and self funded national guard, while simultaneously strengthening the defense sector of our dynamic economy.
Proof test- does America's enemies/ would be invaders secretly rejoice or despair whenever they learn another million assault rifles have been sold in the USA? Need I say more??

WizOz said...

@-123abc- said... The German press is losing it. I've been living in Germany for more than 20 years and I've never seen this kind of insanity.

You should look harder at who's owning the German press:

"Josef Joffe (born March 15, 1944) is publisher-editor (German: Herausgeber) of Die Zeit, a weekly German newspaper...In 2005, Joffe founded, together with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Eliot Cohen and Frank Fukuyama, The American Interest, a magazine where both American and international authors think and argue about the United States and its role in the world. Joffe's essays and reviews have appeared in a wide number of publications including Commentary, The New Republic, The New York Review of Books, The New York Times Magazine, Prospect, The European Journal of International Affairs, The Times Literary Supplement, and The Weekly Standard. His scholarly work has appeared in many books and in journals, including Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, International Security, The National Interest and The American Interest". (No secrets, it's in Wikipedia)

"Josef Joffe occupies a rare perch among Europe’s public intellectuals. As the publisher and editor of Die Zeit, Germany’s mass-circulation, highbrow weekly newspaper, he is a fixture of the country’s Left-tilting cultural establishment. Yet this Jewish son of Berlin—educated at Swarthmore, Johns Hopkins, and Harvard—is a defender of Israel and the United States, as well as one of the keener dissectors of the European conceits and anti-American pathologies so common to his peers. Those virtues go some way toward redeeming Überpower, an occasionally brilliant if ultimately unpersuasive attempt to sketch America’s “grand strategy” for the 21st century.

The point of that strategy, Joffe understands, is not how the U.S. should manage its “inevitable decline,” a theme frequently sounded in books of this genre. The point is how to stay on top. Joffe approaches this question as a foreign-policy “realist,” a thinker more in the mold of balance-of-power calculators like Henry Kissinger or Brent Scowcroft than of democratic idealists like Woodrow Wilson or George W. Bush. As a result, he devotes much of Überpower to tallying up the “objective” political, economic, military, and cultural strengths of the U.S. vis-à-vis its current and prospective competitors".(http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/uberpower-by-joseph-joffe/)

The irony is that this so highly perched intellectual is a descendant, or relative, of Adolf Joffe, the first ambassador of Bolshevick Russia to Berlin after the Peace of Brest-Litovsk, where he was in charge with anti-German propaganda, which led to the Revolution which toppled the Kaiser. History repeats itself....

WizOz

Grunt said...


@ anonymous
In reply to-
"You joke. Most US patriots I know wouldn't think twice about joining a Russian invading force to take out the homophile, feminist..."

Yes there's a joke buddy, but it's on you and it's funnier than you think.
First of all quoting Pat Buchanan undermines your argument- do you realize how long he's been in American politics, decades, which means whatever he says against the US government is tailor made for suckers, he's paid to vindicate your false sense of potent anger. Which brings me to point #2. Those patriots you speak of have been armed and angry since the '90s, and they have yet to shut down a single post office. They know (or should know) and the government knows that they'll be isolated and destroyed with 90% public approval the moment they so much as threaten the state, just like Waco and Ruby Ridge. Besides, if a foreigner ever invaded the US, those folks you think are on your side would be the first to defend America, because their families would remind them who the real enemy is without any assistance from the government. Don't take my word for it, go and tell your mom or wife you want to kill a marine to save Russia, see how fast she'll rat you out to the police. To you the government is the Jews/ Brzerzinski/ Kissinger et al, to your wife/mom it's the postal worker/ marine/ SSDI employee. Feel free to turn that smile upside down when you sober up.

WizOz said...

Nora,

Regarding Zizek the best answer is the one of Mulga Mumblebrain ... "123abc, Slavoj Zizek, in my opinion, is a charlatan. His utterances are self-contradictory and ideologically and philosophically incoherent".

Just disregard that sort of Trotzko-Frankfurt School-Lacanian crap that passes for the "ideology" of the putrescent "Left".

VINEYARDSAKER: said...

@ Mulga Mumblebrain:Slavoj Zizek, in my opinion, is a charlatan

My opinion too. The guy is just a fad, a fashion. I can't stand the guy.

Sokenekos said...

Great thread indeed!

I have to wonder, though, at those who take Zizek seriously, he is a clone of Bono the U2, and similar scum.

Nora said...

Saker and Wiz,

Thank you both! I should have known he was a psychiatrist -- my main problem with the guy was he just didn't make any sense.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, all, for addressing Zizek's article. I have read several of his books over the years, and even head him speak on a few occasions. He's entertaining and insightful, but his political analyses often seem more wrapped up in historical interpretation than actually reading the present. In the case of the Ukraine, I would tend to agree with what 123abc says about Zizek missing the forest for the trees.

Where-Wolf said...

123abc said...
Interesting comment. Can you give a link or further reason of why you think that Zizek is property of George Soros and why he is a neo-Khazarian con man, and what you mean with partition of Poland and philosophy?

I dropped my head in my hands when I read your comment. Explicating myself is an enormous task. I'll do my best.

Philosophy, politics and psychology are not seperate. Western thought has been engaged in a prolonged reductio ad absurdum lasting for thousands of years. The reductive mode of consciousness is masculine and seeks to master details, usually at the expense of the bigger picture. It is useful when we want to construct abstract tools, especially to manipulate our social environment.

The greater mode of consciousness is feminine and experiences reality differently. This is emotional intelligence without the conscious aplication of learned value judgements. It is the intelligence we have when we are born, given to us by God, before we begin our social programming.

OK so far?

Moving backwards, there is a straight line connecting today's Western sponsered regime change operations, the Arab Spring, Occupy, the Colour Revolutions, Paris 1968, 1848, the French Revolution and the forces of Judaic thought released into Europe after the partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1772. I'm drawing a line under 1772 but you can continue on this path back through the Enlightenment, early Christianity, the Greeks, Perisa under Cyrus, First Temple Jerusalem, Ancient Egypt, Babylon and Indus (skipping a lot).

Where-Wolf said...

All of this concerns the development of human consciousness from the time of our nomadic forbearers who possessed thought patterns we'd consider to be schizophrenic today. As small human groupings settled down and grew larger, they develped technology, making evermore sophisticated tools, first physical then abstract, through war, conquest and trade. I am describing a ten thousand+ year struggle between our own natural spiritual wisdom and those who would conquer and direct it up to the present day.

When I refer to Zizek as a neo-Kharazarian I am (too cynically) describing the forward march of masculine ideals. These thought patterns are embodied in their purest form as what we generally think of as Jewish thought today. The Jewish people are the primary carriers of this legacy in the modern world. The German Ideology (Marx and Engles) is actually the Jewish ideology expressed in a German context. This work and thousands more like it are examples of what happens when a conquering masculine ideal comes into contact with and imposes itself upon a less defined (but much more expansive), underlying feminine reality.

Let's put this in a modern context. Mother Russia endures the advances of Western civilization and suffers for it terribly. It also benefits as natural wealth is exploited and turned into physical prosperity. Putin, I believe, sees the pattern of excessively masculine (Jewish) consciousness as both beneficial (leading to material progress) but also destructive until it is balanced against the wisdom of more expansive feminine consciousness -- as embodied by Orthodox Russian civilization.

Below is a link to a video showing Zizek's arrival at Occupy and the absurd antics that ensued. Occupy was a highly organized and tightly controled effort to direct the anger of a generation that had been raped by Wall Street gangsters. Huffpost always reeks of the propaganda and tactics used by the puppet masters to control and direct the frustrated masses.

Slavoj Zizek Joins Occupy Wall Street
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/slavoj-zizek-occupy-wall-street_n_1003566.html

Where-Wolf said...

Grunt said...

The DHS ammo stock piling and hardening police state are only an evolutionary adaptation to changing times, a natural outgrowth to guard the nation's interests against well intentioned but misinformed citizens who might become useful tools of our enemies.

Can I tell you something Grunt?

I love your country.

But this comment exposes everything that's wrong with America. Your nation state has been usurped by parasites and thieves who then buy millions of rounds of exploding ammo to protect themselves from the angry citizens who've been robbed.

Where-Wolf said...

@Grunt

Forgot to ask the question...

How have you come to the conclusion that the people who are opposed to your government are misguided?

Grunt said...

@ where-Wolf, the most intelligent and considerate commentator I've encountered yet on this site.
In reply to-
"How have you come to the conclusion that the people who are opposed to your government are misguided?"
You really like America, what a way to break the ice? I can honestly reply that I really like your tact and approach to dialogue. I'll try to return the sentiment and honestly answer your question in the hopes that you'll come to see that I really am on your side, even if my flag looks diametrically opposed to yours.
I say those opposed to my government are misguided in only the broadest terms, what I actually mean is that it is ok to differ, it is even ok to speak out in protest of our wrong doings and policies you find abhorrent. What I'm against is when you cross the line and actively campaign to subvert or undermine our government by supporting an opposing bloc or government and becoming an appendage for that governments propaganda apparatus. That crosses the line in my view because you'll be in effect attempting to destroy or undermine my government, which is my people and my country, without guaranteeing anything better in its stead. Your right to differ, stops at the point it begins to degrade my right to survive and thrive. I can sympathize with your noble intent, but I must judge you by the results that will logically follow, because it will directly affect my way of life.
Let me approach this from a different avenue. As bad as you think our government is, you must go the extra mile and examine the context and perspective of the system you're trying to oppose. Look around you and point out to me any place, at any point in time when any state/town/village or entity of your choice, couldn't be defined as being run by parasites and gangsters. If you will admit that it's always been the case, everywhere, and isn't likely to change for the better at least in our lifetimes- then what good is it that you shake up the existing structure, knowing the chaos that will likely result, and the logical conclusion that will inevitably follow all that tumult. If I sit back and let you or these honestly disgruntled citizens go as far as their collective conscience drives them, I am likely to find myself paying the price for their adventures, and will be lucky to get so much as an apology, when things essentially remain the same, after all that blood and change. For this reason I call such well intentioned but sorely lacking in perspective and foresight type agitators misguided, and as a matter of principle, meaning my own self preservation, oppose them aggressively or compassionately at their origins, where I can really make a difference if I'm successful. I say I'm on your side, because when you disturb the peace enough for my government to feel the need to crush your kind, they are unlikely to send Brzerzinski or Obama, they'll probably send some young marine like me or some other agent of the state to neutralize the threat, and because I have to survive in this cold and unforgiving world, under rules not of my making, I will have to meet your kind under very unpleasant circumstances, at least less pleasant than our current encounter on this site. I want to get through to you, my fellow man, when it's still within our power to determine our fates, that what you're trying to achieve, has a very high probability of devolving into a chaos neither you nor I want. Please think it through to its logical conclusion, before you decide on your course of action. Thanks for trying to understand me, I'm pleased to make your acquaintance

Maedhros said...

@Grunt

I apologize.
I though you had a problem, but actually you ARE the problem.

Your logic resembles a painting of Escher.

Do not busy yourself looking for the enemy, just find a mirror!

Where-Wolf said...

@Grunt

This all has the feeling of a conversation between soldiers and citizens at a barricade.

I come from a long line of soldiers stretching back 7 generations from my grandfather. I know of the tradition and honour of men like you. Some clever person said that the rules of war spelled out in the Geneva Convention apply only to Geneva. I understand the logic of war and also how things change when the shooting starts. In that instant someone like me stops being a political opponent and suddenly becomes an existential threat. I am sticking my head up now because it is the last possible moment to try to stop what I think both of us believe is inevitable.

I may admire the Russian people but I feel no disloyalty because I am not speaking on their behalf. I am raising up my puny voice in the interests of my country, my community, my family and most assuredly myself. I am pointing my finger at the sick people who have brought us to this juncture and because I want them to be stopped. We are already on the front lines of a cyber battlefield so I also know that my comments are useful to analysts and strategists assessing public disposition. If I was truly threating in any way I would have been silenced by now.

Since you are a soldier I know you are trained to kill and will do so without hesitation because in the first instance you are trained this way but more importantly because the slightest hesitation on your part is dangerous to your brothers in arms. You are loyal but this doesn't let you off the hook. You are smart enough to know what is being asked of you and who you will be doing it for. I want you to know that it is wrong. Coming here to warn us does not mitigate your responsibility. It will not help you sleep at night and assuming you are not paid to be here it is evidence of the weakness of your will. Guilt is a sign of decency but I will not hold my breath waiting for that decency to break through in the moment before you shoot me or someone like me who has never done you nor intended to do you any harm.

You say that I am not guaranteeing you anything and for this reason I am a threat. You are partly right; I am not guaranteeing anything mostly because I am not a liar, unlike the people who would send you or your buddies to die for nothing beyond their own greed and stupidity. If you think about it you will realize I am doing something much more meaningful than making false promises: I am demonstrating I believe in something. At the end of the day it is up to you to decide if you want to die for people who believe in nothing or for people like me.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to go shit my pants.

Grunt said...

@ where-Wolf
In reply to-
"I want you to know that it is wrong. Coming here to warn us does not mitigate your responsibility. It will not help you sleep at night and assuming you are not paid to be here it is evidence of the weakness of your will."
I was right, you are head and shoulders above the rest. I would not dispute anything you've stated, save the part I quoted above, because I understand you're reasons. I'm trying to do my part in my own way to make survival a bit less painful for humanity, at least the part whose brains govern their baser instincts. The principle I subscribe to is that good and bad are relative- whatever adds to the happiness of man as a collective is good, and whatever detracts from his happiness is bad. With that in mind, I'd like you to reconsider how brave you're being sticking your head up as you put it. I keep going back to the context and perspective argument because for me it makes it easier to demonstrate bravery in the "right" way. The best marines I knew were those adept at survival, regardless of the circumstances. They honed this instinct to a degree that overrode fear, and it helped them thrive in the chaos that is combat. I think life in its chaotic way mirrors combat. If in the greater scheme of things, nothing will essentially change as a result of your sacrifice, is it still bravery to stick your head up, or are you braver to withstand the pressure to make an empty gesture and instead preserve one more good soul, one more enlightened, higher man in the chaos that is natures kingdom. Like the decision you left up to me at the end of your advice, I'll have to let you decide the meaning of bravery for yourself. I will have you know that I never murdered anyone on command in all the places my occupation has taken me. I suppose some are required to do so, but in my experience, it's usually more complicated. The powers that be arrange the meeting, make my life miserable by placing me where the friction is strongest, and under those conditions, leave it up to me to decide what tools are necessary to preserve my life and control the situation. That was my point, when the shooting starts, reason is usually the first victim. When I've taken it to the limit, or been on the receiving end of the attackers fury, believe me, violence was necessary for survival. I spend my private hours trying to do what I wasn't able to when anger eclipsed reason, and that is to communicate with reason. Am I right for trying to better my circumstances and rise above the dirt nature presented me as my heritage? I think I am, because it ensured my survival and happiness when no one else would, not that I blame them, they didn't make the rules either. Are you wrong for risking your small measure of happiness and shelter from life's storms in the defense of strangers, who might prey on you themselves given the chance? I don't know, I suppose it depends on how you assess the risk vs rewards calculus. If it were up to me, I'd say there are precious few enlightened human beings as it is, and their lives should be better spent teaching the rest of the race that we'll all rise together, only when each one of us individually and by his own merits, betters his condition. I do not believe in vicarious redemption, or vicarious guilt. The burden will become lighter only when we each carry his own weight. I doubt we'll ever meet under unpleasant circumstances, because there's too much reason between us to permit misunderstanding. I just wanted to tell you that It's no crime to preserve your security and happiness. Life's too full of misery to go looking for trouble, better to preserve your strength until you're too cornered to run. Hope this finds you well buddy

Where-Wolf said...

@Grunt

The principle I subscribe to is that good and bad are relative- whatever adds to the happiness of man as a collective is good, and whatever detracts from his happiness is bad.

Your comment reminds me this is an ancient debate: between realist and idealist; war chief and shaman. Neither one of us does well without the other. We may be adversaries but we are also on the same side.

Best regards.